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[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You do realize you are claiming that international actors are responsible for han chauvinism… How does this make sense?

No, I am claiming the US has an extensive history of specifically using racial tensions and prexisting cultural biases to foment destablizing revolutionary behavior in extreme minority view populations.

The US has spent no less than 30 billion dollars on exactly this. This is literally the exclusive reason for the great firewall. To stop US psyops.

The entire 'East Turkestan' movement is a US-led movement meant to destablize china. The terror attacks, everything, was caused by the US. It's literally the CIA playbook, this isn't even controversial information.

All the example you gave ignore the systemic inequalities, and only focus on cultural exchange. That would be like saying the US solved their systemic racism because they celebrate Juneteenth and have a black history month.

Okay so at least you're slightly better than most liberals here, to be clear China has spent $15 billion USD in xinjian since the early 2000s US-led terror attacks specifically to quash this disparity and the recent massive multi-tens-of-billions investment in education (not cultural exchange) that I listed is a part of that movement to erase that inequality mostly caused by rurality, not minority. As a counter example the Yue people are a minority, they have no significant disparity with the Han ethnicities (of which there are over 90 recognized).

I'm not saying China's not perfect, or that Han Chauvinism isn't real.

I am saying this order is to directly combat US covert and overt operations using malcontent extremist minority groups that have directly and provably caused terror attacks and have worked to dismantle Chinese Unity attempts. This requires issuing arrest warrants for foreign and formerly domestic adversaries in the East Turkestan movement, for instance, and working to arrest them. Which this law provides the ability to do.

As a side note, pretending, for some reason, that the US does not have a ridiculously long history of attacking sovereign countries like this when you are currently still at war with Iran is insane btw. The US did this in Iran in the 1970s. and 1960s, and 1990s, and 2000s, and literally 3 months before this war, according to Trump.

No, I am claiming the US has an extensive history of specifically using racial tensions and prexisting cultural biases to foment destablizing revolutionary behavior in extreme minority view populations.

The US government takes advantage of ethnic tension and foments it for political gain, however they are not responsible for the tension existing in the first place. Ethnic conflict in China predates the United states existence. The concept of modern han chauvinism was internally criticized by Mao himself.

The entire 'East Turkestan' movement is a US-led movement meant to destablize china. The terror attacks, everything, was caused by the US. It's literally the CIA playbook, this isn't even controversial information

Again.... My point was that these types of propaganda campaigns are only effective because there are still systemic ethnic inequalities within China.

Okay so at least you're slightly better than most liberals here, to be clear China has spent $15 billion USD in xinjian since the early 2000s US-led terror attacks specifically to quash this disparity and the recent massive multi-tens-of-billions investment in education (not cultural exchange)

First of all, I am a socialist who was raised by an asian immigrant who had to leave their country because they were a socialist. Calling me a liberal is an insult to my family's honor.

Secondly most of that funding has gone to benefit ethnic Han who have migrated to the urbanized areas of Xijiang, which in turn has forced more of the minority population into the rural areas of the autonomous zone.

listed is a part of that movement to erase that inequality mostly caused by rurality, not minority

The studies I linked accounts for disparity between rural and urbanized areas of China. Even when accounting for spatial disparity economic stratification for ethnic minority groups is increasing in education, healthcare, and income.

Yue people are a minority, they have no significant disparity with the Han ethnicities (of which there are over 90 recognized).

Are you talking about the Baiyue people? That ethnic group was assimilated during the qin and han empire. It's no longer an actual ethnic group, though there are some theories that the boat people from Hong Kong are distantly related to them.

I am saying this order is to directly combat US covert and overt operations using malcontent extremist minority groups that have directly and provably caused terror attacks and have worked to dismantle Chinese Unity attempts. This requires issuing arrest warrants for foreign and formerly domestic adversaries in the East Turkestan movement, for instance, and working to arrest them. Which this law provides the ability to do.

And I started out by explaining that Han chauvinism is the reason propaganda programs like the ones the US is utilizing is why they could gain popularity in the first place. I never said the US isn't taking advantage of the situation, just that the ethnic disparity is why it's effective.

As a side note, pretending, for some reason, that the US does not have a ridiculously long history of attacking sovereign countries like this when you are currently still at war with Iran is insane btw.

When did I say they weren't running propaganda campaigns?

You are making a lot of assumptions based on one accurate criticism I have about the CCP. You've mostly been arguing against claims I've never made despite the fact that I started this conversation stating that I support the vast majority of the goals and policies of the CCP. You would think that someone with marx in their user name wouldn't be so knee jerkingly adverse to self criticism.