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[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Nato is made of the strongest western militaries.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Weapons is not the only way to back a country either

Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page!

Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons!

So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for.

Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people".

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel

Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing

So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only

But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism

Why not say UN supports the genocide?

Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions?

Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia.

No it is not silly

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 hours ago

I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect