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Should I vote? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 weeks ago by babysmokesalot@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Should I vote Republican to slow down full blown let it all hang out fascism because I don't want to vote Democrat? I am trying to hack a machine that just needs recycled. What a dusty old thing. I have had it with both. The more both parties go at each other the greater the odds of a environment ripe with revolutionary potential. Like I know things are only going to get worse. Has anyone else thought of being a obstructionist? Like some how I am removed from the material conditions. Voting reminds me of the plaform at 3:10.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How about you name 1 (just one) systemic change won through voting under liberal democracy. (Oh wait you can't because it's never happened).

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Are you under the impression that the only way things happen is by direct vote on the issue? Nearly everything you cite is a result of the elected officials in power. Put there by the voters.

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Nearly everything you cite is a result of the elected officials in power.

Not a single thing I cited did came into existence because people voted for them. They arose because the economic base required a particular political, legal and ideological superstructure to reproduce the prevailing class relations. Their abolition was likewise not the product of voting, but of massive class struggle outside the system: militant trade unions, abolitionists, suffragettes, the NAACP, the Black Panthers, the IRA, the ANC (Umkhonto weSizwe), and countless other organised movements that made the existing conditions impossible to maintain.

Are you under the impression that the only way things happen is by direct vote on the issue?

No. What I am “under the impression of” is that voting under liberal democracy has not once provided a real avenue for systemic change. Using voting status as a gauge of whose political views should be taken seriously is therefore idiotic.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

you can't even name one, lmao. pathetic bluemaga. voting is bread and circus bro, keep telling yourself that you can eventually vote shit out with your wallet. meanwhile, we in the third world keep getting FUCKED by either of any possible party that gets elected in the bürgerreich because all of them represent the international bourgeoisie.