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[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

I mean, evidence shows that having their ideas challenged online tends to entrench people in their ideas more so than it convinces them that they're wrong.

So, while I sympathize with your goals, I think your method is having the opposite effect of your intended outcome.

I say this, knowing it's true, and still doing the arguing online thing anyway.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not about them it's about the other people that might be influenced by their post.

Online is never an A&B conversation, which is why I usually avoid direct confrontation and just provide well structured, clear information, because I don't really care whether I can convince someone who has made up their mind.

It's about deconstructing the argument with clear digestible information for the dozens of lurkers.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

LOL as if. Literally I will see people with logical responses getting ripped apart because the person they are arguing with just sounds more right and or it fits what people wanted to hear in that specific echo chamber.

Say something cause you want to say it, not cause you are giving yourself points on an invisible scoreboard for people that might not exist.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think you may want to reread what I wrote because this is barely related. Feels more like something happened and you're just looking for a vent.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

No its related In that, I dont believe the lurkers are appreciating it like you think they are. And that logical responses are often still beaten by emotional forces. And, getting the high of watching a "nerd" get dunked on is likely more of not all of the counter arguments received perspective when commenting against the perceived right take of a community.

If you are commenting, you are doing it for yourself. Inventing an imaginary person that is receiving your argument other than the person you are talking to is silly and delusional in the truest sense of that word.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's delusional to want to teach people things. When you respectfully deconstruct someone's half truths it can help people understand.

This is not to say that you should take everything seriously or that every person is worth engaging with of course you still have to be selective.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Imagining their existence without proof is though. Teaching people is different then screaming into a black box and relying on faith that it did.

And here we are back at the emotional response overpowering the logical one. If you want to teach actually do it than hoping you are passively doing it.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 hours ago

Is your argument that you don't think anyone else reads what people post on social media, and that it has no effect if they do? Respectfully are you insane?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Evidence isn't what bullies and bigots rely on. It's their feelings of superiority and their justification of violence.

hence why they will never argue with evidence or facts. They will just insult and harass and threaten.

and if you use the evidence of their own words against them... well get ready to get reported to the mods.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What evidence? You didn't pull this out of your ass, did you?

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I don't believe it!

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