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I think I've been more active on Lemmy in the past five days than I had been on reddit for the past 2 years.
Decentralization of social media is extremely enticing to me, and I really want this community to flourish, so I've been trying to make this into an active space.
Glad to hear it - decentralization of social media is imperative. Given the absolute disaster that corporate interests have visited upon us, we would have been better served by developing and enhancing Usenet - can you imagine how good it would be if we'd been at this since the '90s? That's what the fediverse reminds me of today and it's only gonna get better.
I'm just young enough to have missed out on the days of Usenet's prime, I really only know of it from piracy communities. I've never been on Usenet myself, but I'm super excited about the fediverse concept! It really could have the potential to reclaim the internet from the big tech companies.
I'm thinking about how to explain what Usenet was like in the late 90s. Before Usenet there were dialup BBS services (bulletin boards). That was a little bit like Lemmy - the BBS systems were a common software package tied together by a sort of dial-up federation. The original BBS systems I used were in the 1980s and they relied on 2 meter FM to transmit the BBS info locally and HF SSB to transfer it globally using 300 baud packet radio (developed by hams) - there wasn't much on it except other hams and some universities, but then dial up internet service came along in the mid 1990s - it was pretty tedious because you had to tie up your landline, which back then was the only phone you had. Fuck I feel old saying all this!
Anyway, along with dial up came usenet, which was normally carried by your internet service provider. Newsgroups in Usenet were similar to communities in Lemmy, although they were global, not local to the instance. I believe you could just create alt.whateveryouwant and it would propagate to all usenet servers - this meant that newsgroups with really offensive names was created all the time. There were also pretty significant problems with child porn being posted on usenet. Since you authenticated via your ISP, usenet was somewhat anonymous and decentralized but of course your IP address was in the public usenet headers, so not really. Posting on usenet was an invitation for people to hack you and the majority of people weren't even running a firewall back then - the cable company would run the service, stick a modem on your desk and plug in your PC directly to the internet with nothing in between. It was completely ridiculous, looking back.
The tone on usenet was mostly civil although "flame wars" were common and there wasn't any moderation at all. Usenet presented stuff within the newsgroup in threads, just like an email client - in fact you usually used your email client to read usenet - they were designed to do both. The internet (which was called "the information super-highway at first) was so new that hardly anybody really understood how it worked under the hood. The newsgroups tended to be an area of interest or hobby (very similar to Lemmy communities) and a set of regulars usually dominated them. I don't think they were moderated in any way, I don't remember if the person who created the usenet group had any authority over it or not. but I'm pretty sure that nobody could remove posts or ban users. You would have to complain to the originating ISP (also in the headers) to get people banned - and they would have to be doing something really bad or illegal for the ISP to take any notice.
Anyway that's my potted history - I hope I didn't bore you to tears or come of like some misty eyed old fart, because I'm definitely not misty-eyed about those days, although usenet would have been a good decentralized solution if it had been built into a proper public social media platform instead of being allowed to die slowly.
Decentralizing social media is definitely the way to go and I hope you find joy and success in the fediverse.
Wow, thank you for this detailed comment, it's a really fun read for someone who wasn't around at the time. The history of the internet has always been a fascinating subject for me, and this is probably the most honest and down-to-earth summary of Usenet and that subset of internet culture that I've read so far.
You've made me feel nostalgia for something I've never directly experienced, that's the mark of an interesting story, not of the ramblings of a misty-eyed old fart!
well, it was a pleasure to reminisce a little and it's refreshing to see the enthusiasm for wresting control away from the conglomerates - the degree to which the internet has been commercialized, monetized and basically stolen from us along with our personal information, political process and practically anything else they could corrupt is dismaying to an old man, I gotta tell ya. Please do your utmost to fix it!