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[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I think your use of authoritarian is idealist nonsense and has to basis in materialism. I'm a marxist so that is my veiwpoint. If you are a utopian socialist then we will disagree because your veiwpoint is not grounded in a materialist perspective

[-] Sprinklebump@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I think your use of authoritarian is idealist nonsense

I disagree it has real implications usually the existence of a police state.

I am an anarchist . I am against police states.

China russia and the USA are all police states. They all suck. They all oppress their own people and others.

There is much nuance. But my beliefs boiled down to a sentence is this:

Fuck police States and fuck the people who support them.

[-] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

All existing countries are police states, it's not a useful term.

[-] Sprinklebump@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Disagree.

In fact I find it is a better measure of oppressive goverment than most indicators.

What you really mean to say is most goverments are oppressive and authoritarian. Show me a country with a large prison population and I will show you an authoritarian country.

Please see the zapatistas. For non police state goverment.

[-] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

How is it a useful measure of oppressive governments when it applies to all of them?

The Zapatistas are not a state government and they do police their territory.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

If those are your beliefs then they are infantile, and its no wonder you are openly against AES and people who support real world projects in socialism. The new world will be built by people around the world while left anti-communists whine about how they are doing it wrong because they don't understand the theoretical basis communist are using in these states, and they refuse to understand the real material contexts in which these societies struggle to survive against the US imperialist world order.

There are many anarchist comrades on Hexbear who regularly get called "tankies" by people like you and are able to understand the difference between criticizing some AES without being anti-communist. We have a non-sectarian rule there so we don't argue about our specific tendencies. You should maybe soeak to some of them to form a more nuanced view of AES. As an ML i can't really do that, because i do have some fundamental theoretical differences, such as veiwing the term of authoritarian as kind of pointless, thst hoes back to Engels arguing with anarchists about the Paris Commune basically.

If you're open to a book about left anti-communism and how its driven a wedge between yourself and people you call tankies, i recommend Micheal Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds_-rational-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism-2001.pdf

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