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Im seeing a lot of things, on some communities. Like they could be nazis or denying the Uighur's genocide.

What are we talking about exactly.

So pls, explain me like I'm 5 :)

Ty all

Edit : ty all very much for your answers. Morality for me : clearly don't give a shit sometimes, can help to be mindfull. Basics that's what I've should take care of. Its fediverse. And in bonus they are not fucking naziiiiiii :)

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[–] SgtSilverLining@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The two biggest contributors to the original lemmy code are pro china and pro russia respectively. No one is sure how strong their opinions are, but there is a lot of fear mongering because their PFPs on GitHub are political. They created the first instance, lemmy, and the second, lemmygrad, using the same ip address.

Now, there's two important things to keep in mind. Lemmygrad, which is a "tankie" (highly political) group, is set up separately from the main lemmy group. Not only does this keep lemmy from being highly political, it also allows all other groups to defederate from lemmygrad while staying connected to lemmy. Most groups have lemmygrad defederated by default.

In my opinion, this is the right way to do things and there's nothing to worry about. But there are some people who think that since the creators are pro china and russia that it could be an attempt to "poison the well" of federation from the beginning. It comes from a biased belief that anything to do with the red scare is bad by default. The creators are not funneling money into political campaigns. They're not asking everyone to agree with their beliefs or pushing their opinions in non political groups. They're not able to remove communities that disagree with their philosophies.

Lemmy's code is open source and it is easy for moderators to block political content if they choose. There's going to be people with differing opinions. People who are socialist, or conservative, or anarchist are capable of creating good things. Plenty of people still buy from chick fil a or nestle even if they disagree with the group's politics. As of now there is no issue. However, reddit refugees are currently sensitive to a) preexisting problems from reddit that could carry over into fediverse and b) leaders disagreeing with their beliefs.

TL;DR: it's something that could potentially be a concern in the future, but isn't a problem right now. With new users on edge it's likely being blown way out of proportion.

[–] CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just to add, the devs don't even want lemmy.ml to be the main instance. I signed up there initially but they have a sticky to encourage incoming users to use different instances so I figured it's best to find another in case they get the hug. I stayed there only for a day or two but didn't really encounter the censorship other users are claiming is happening there. There is the modlog anyway to check if there's anything fishy going on . I've had a few interactions with the devs as well and they seem...polite and formal, even welcoming.

I agree it can be a concern, but right now it's not. Remember, many users came from reddit and we all know the controversies that happened there. We still stayed.

I'd say be wary but don't just listen to allegations. See for yourself so you can decide on your own.

[–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They encourage to choose other instances because of the load, not because they don't want users to sign up to that instance. If that wasn't explained in the memo, yes, that should have been explained.

beehaw's approach to modering is far worse if you ask me. We wanna filter everything out, so it's simpler if we just defederate from instances all together. So, they defederated from sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world. What kind of an attitude is that. The whole point of having the fediverse is so everyone can connect with anyone, not have 63827383 accounts on thousands of different instances just so you can be a part of some of the communities that have set up shop on an instance that has snowflake users that report every single post they don't like or agree with 😒.

Defederation should be removed as an option of you ask me. You don't like a community? Block it. You don't like a user? Block him/her. Beats the point of having a fediverse if you opened an account on an instance that blocks half the fediverse for one reason or another.

[–] uyuu@lemmy.4d2.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People need to actally look at where do they sign up on. I specifically choose mine because it appears to federate with everyone and I hope it will stay that way.

[–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Yep, did the same. Looked for an instance that federated with everyone and has no plans to defederate with anyone.