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Delta Chat is a new chat app that sends messages via e-mails, encrypted if possible, with Autocrypt. You do not have to sign up anywhere, just use your existing e-mail account with Delta Chat.

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What's a good privacy focused relay to use? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 month ago by ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/delta_chat@lemmy.zip

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I'm primarily concerned with privacy and security, thus the interest in Delta Chat to begin with, but it seems to me that all the relays (at least the ones on the delta chat site's list, that is) are hosted in 5 eyes countries or countries that will soon be subject to the EU's chat control bullshit, or are in India or South Africa (two countries which I do not know about their own privacy situation, though the SA server is a ".wang" which is hilarious.)

Is there any relay that I can sign up for that's hosted somewhere like Norway, that cares about privacy at least ostensibly? Any other list of available relays?

I'm sure "it doesn't matter because e2ee," but assuredly some metadata must still exist, like sender/recipient or something. Unfortunately self hosting isn't an option currently as idk how to do that sort of thing just yet (one day) and also I'm in a 5 eyes country, so I'd have to VPS it somewhere.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Awesome! I went with the one from Brazil for now due to lack of a better option, it's the only one not in the EU (because chat control), nor a 5 eyes country (5 eyes bad), and seemed to be less sketchy than India and South Africa.

[–] ruud@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but might Chat Control be approved in EU, wouldn't that scanning be on the client side, before encryption? That would mean it doesn't matter where your server is. It matters where you are.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh, is it? You might be right idk (in which case I'd be safe, but either way that sucks for the EU of course).

In any case, one of my Mastodon friends just posted that he's hosting his own outside the eu/5eyes (at least I think, because of where he's at), and that I'm welcome on it, so I already abandoned the Brazil relay for his lol. Hadn't even sent/received one message yet before I already switched lol, but this is definitely where I belong.