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ยท๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ

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๐‘ฃ๐‘ต ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฐ๐‘›๐‘Ÿ ๐‘•๐‘๐‘ง๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ข๐‘ง๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฟ ๐‘’๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ ยท๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ!
๐‘จ ๐‘’๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฟ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฉ๐‘‘๐‘ฐ ๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘• ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฐ๐‘›๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘ž ๐‘ž ยท๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘จ๐‘ค๐‘“๐‘ฉ๐‘š๐‘ง๐‘‘.

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๐‘ฎ๐‘ต๐‘ค๐‘Ÿ:

  1. ๐‘š๐‘ฐ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฒ๐‘• ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฐ๐‘— ๐‘ณ๐‘ž๐‘ผ.
  2. ๐‘จ๐‘›๐‘ณ๐‘ค๐‘‘ ๐‘’๐‘ช๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ช๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘›.
  3. ๐‘“๐‘ช๐‘ค๐‘ด ๐‘ž ๐‘•๐‘ฒ๐‘‘-๐‘ข๐‘ฒ๐‘› ๐‘ฎ๐‘ต๐‘ค๐‘Ÿ: [๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘•-๐‘ข๐‘ฒ๐‘› TOS] [๐‘ค๐‘ง๐‘ฅ๐‘ฐ ๐‘’๐‘ด๐‘› ๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘ช๐‘ฏ๐‘›๐‘ณ๐‘’๐‘‘]

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๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘– ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฐ๐‘›๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฃ๐‘ง๐‘ค๐‘.

๐‘‘๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅ ๐‘“ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ณ๐‘๐‘›๐‘ฑ๐‘‘.

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[โ€“] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

i'm continuing to look into this.

so, IPA lists i as such:

and that's consistent with what we expect.

but then i don't know what's the difference with ๐‘ฐ.

Shavian site shows /ษช/~/i/ for ๐‘ฆ, but those are two different sounds, the 'ih' and the 'ii' respectively.

so yeah, in order to disambiguate, i'd need ๐‘ฆ to be either one or the other, but it can't be both and can't overlap with the sound for ๐‘ฐ.

so i'm still left in agreement, that i need to treat ๐‘ฆ as /ษช/ only.

sorry i keep repeating this, but it bothers me too. XD

edit and FINALLY, in QUIKSCRIPT, the revised version of Shavian, he specifies ๐‘ฆ as ONLY /ษช/, 'ih.' for me, that settles that! XD

[โ€“] 2910000@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

so iโ€™m still left in agreement, that i need to treat ๐‘ฆ as /ษช/ only.

I was going to try and play Devil's advocate on this, but looking at the IPA example words you shared, I'd be inclined to write all those with ๐‘ฐ. That makes it hard to argue against this!
I wonder if there are any words pronounced with /i/ that would seem more natural with ๐‘ฆ than ๐‘ฐ

edit and FINALLY, in QUIKSCRIPT, the revised version of Shavian, he specifies ๐‘ฆ as ONLY /ษช/, โ€˜ih.โ€™ for me, that settles that! XD

This is really interesting, it feels a bit like we're retracing his steps here!

[โ€“] MxRemy@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yesss, by the person who like sorta invented all this, right?? That definitely cinches it for me too

[โ€“] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 2 points 2 weeks ago

yep! same guy!