Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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[–] realitista@lemmus.org -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't use those words. Stop putting words in my mouth. If you can't make the case with the words I actually said, you can't make the case.

I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

[–] goferking0 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

what does Ukraine gain by hitting civilians?

it's the only thing that Russia will understand

So we are using your words, you just don't like how people react to what you are saying.

I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

This goes back to those that think it's okay to blow shit up if it belongs to the bad people. Also see how Israelis see their neighbors

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes those are my words. I never said anything about attacking civilians. Maybe I should have elaborated, but I was talking about hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg. The other guy was talking about civilians. Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.

But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.

[–] goferking0 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Your deleted comment was also about nothing will change until the people feel it when talking about how Ukraine needs to hit Russian cities.

Which gets back to asking what you think people are if not civilians.

Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.

It's not a strawman when you start with bomb the cities

[–] realitista@lemmus.org -1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

They will feel it when they see targets in their cities being hit. And I've already told you what targets I meant.

[–] goferking0 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Which again gets back to do you not care or think about the people living in the cities?

Or it okay as long as a legal order? Cause there's others on lemmy who love to say that's fine even if order is to target civilians

[–] realitista@lemmus.org -1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yes it's okay as long as it's a legal order. And there are plenty of legal targets in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

[–] goferking0 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

So you see how people react to that and go wow that person wants to be able to kill civilians?

Especially after saying and I quote

Yes it's okay as long as it's a legal order. And there are plenty of legal targets in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

it's fine if a legal order?

Edit

Oh people quoting you is probably what you meant by

But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

If you want to give an example of what an .ml mindfuck, being taken out of context and banned is like, congrats you have succeeded.

So you think it's legal to expressly target civilians?

And no one could quote me saying the things they said I did because I didn't.

[–] goferking0 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This is literally what was removed and the entire argument/question. Do you think people are okay targets if in wrong country, and it's yes.

So you think it's legal to expressly target civilians?

Again it was if it's a legal order is it okay for them to kill people or civilians and you said yes. But now that you see it you're not too no I totally meant not if being specifically targeted, but it's fine if they're collateral

Like fuck how does this keep happening, especially from the ones calling ml a shit hole

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 1 points 9 hours ago

I think we have a misunderstanding. I meant legal by international law. It is not legal by international law to target civilians. So no, I do not think it's okay to target civilians, full stop.

But yes this is very much how .ml feels. Twisting words to achieve some sort of propaganda win. Excellent job there.