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The losses of Germany on the eastern front are widely believed to be the most significant factor in defeating Nazi Germany and the USSR won the battle of Berlin, the final battle before the German capitulation. Thus Europe widely believed (for a good reason) that the USSR was the main contributor in defeating Germany. With the cold war the perception of the USSR became a lot worse in western countries like France and with increasing anti-USSR sentiment the view flipped to viewing the USA as the deciding factor. The USSR (and the Russian Federation today, even if its government is very anti USSR) viewed itself as the most important force in defeating Germany, especially because the USSR had the biggest amount of deaths. It is worth noting that the USSR was at least commercially allied with Nazi Germany until June 22, 1941 and there was an agreement between the nations on which parts of Europe each could invade and which where reserved for the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Out of every nation to flip to, why the US?

Their impact was in the Pacific theatre not Europe.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Their impact was in the Pacific theatre not Europe.

?

from the bombing of europe, to overlord - the invasion of europe - this is factually incorrect. the US got into africa later than the UK because, uh, they didn't have colonies lol....

but half of the forces that landed on normandy were US.

the US had a larger footprint, and other allies smaller, in the pacific, but "their impact was in the pacific theater not europe" is incorrect. The US helped bomb germany into rubble, there were impacts in europe lol.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Overlord was a year after Stalingrad, which is where the war turned on the Eastern Front.

Just look at German losses on each front. Dday put a big nail in the coffin - but the Axis was already bleeding to death then.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well and American equipment was integral to Nazi defeat even though a large part of it was given or sold to the USSR so they could keep fighting.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But that's not the reason why the impression flipped.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

That's why I said and, it's not wholely a lie and that helps people buy into it.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 14 points 1 day ago

American movies are more popular in France than Russian

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a wild take. Quibble over exact war contributions scores all you like, but to say the US didn't have an impact in Europe is blatantly false.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Germany would have lost the eastern and western front without them. What they did was speed up the western so the Soviets owned less of Europe afterwards.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very true, but the lend leasing that the US gave the USSR is significant (just not as significant as 8.7 million dead Soviets)

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

25 million Soviets died during the war. Is the 8.7 just soldiers?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

tsk you aren't counting the ones stalin purged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_under_Joseph_Stalin

I know you won't lol, I've never seen someone simp harder for stalin rofls

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. The picture in the US is the Soviets just buried the Germans with dead, but military losses weren't that uneven. What was is civilian deaths, since the Nazis were just massacring everyone.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not just massacring, also because the massive relocations during invasion, the immense focus in industry, huge recruitment of working force, and loss of agricultural land in the south, there were big famines in WW2 USSR. It's the main reason behind the million deaths in prisons during WW2 USSR.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, you see an ugly pattern in lots of propaganda talking points against Russia, from WWI through now. "Russians are savage (Asiatic) orcs who don't respect human life. So it's good to kill them indiscriminately"

The hypocrisy there never seems to matter