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[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 50 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The Graphene team has also been very outspoken about how much they dislike Fairphone for this very reason.

I use /e/OS on my Fairphone 5. It's not a Graphene alternative as it's not a hardened OS, it's just Android without Google. Good enough for me, I'm not afraid of secret agents stealing my phone to extract data or whatever, I just don't want American big tech anywhere near my phone.

[โ€“] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

There's a blog post on contactless payments in /e/OS here, which talks about options without Google Pay. It's written by the guy who started /e/OS, so it should be a decent source.

My guess would be that Google Wallet is so embedded in Google dependencies that you'd pretty much be back at stock Android by the time you get it working. But I have no personal experience, sorry.

[โ€“] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

to be fair I don't think they like anything besides Google Pixel.

[โ€“] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 minutes ago

Last time I heard they were working with someone to produce a phone with the needed features, but hadn't revealed who.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, this is true. They just seem to have a specific beef against Fairphone and /e/OS because it's presented as a privacy alternative (due to no big tech tracking), and the Graphene team believes they are the only ones with the security features to ensure true privacy (because of their... hardened malloc?).

[โ€“] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Same. Like, I can tolerate hackers more than big tech. What is the deal with the security chips? I don't want some shitty fuse or anything in my phone.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 5 hours ago

They (Graphene) have very strong ideas about security, and argue that Google Pixel devices are the only ones that can truly be unhackable enough because of some feature of hardware design. I have read it a bunch of times and I still don't understand, but I'm sure there's a valid point there somewhere. It has nothing to do with security as in safety, but relates to some sort of local hacking that requires access to the device I believe.

Really nothing to worry about unless you have very specific needs, in my opinion. But there are some people who feel very strongly about it, though without ever being able to clearly express their precise concerns in a coherent way.