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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by sunaurus@lemm.ee to c/meta@lemm.ee

Sorry for the short post, I'm not able to make it nice with full context at the moment, but I want to quickly get this announcement out to prevent confusion:

Unfortunately, people are uploading child sexual abuse images on some instances (apparently as a form of attack against Lemmy). I am taking some steps to prevent such content from making it onto lemm.ee servers. As one preventative measure, I am disabling all image uploads on lemm.ee until further notice - this is to ensure that lemm.ee can not be used as gateway to spread CSAM into the network.

It will not possible to upload any new avatars or banners while this limit is in effect.

I'm really sorry for the disruption, it's a necessary trade-off for now until we figure out the way forward.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That video could have easily been 5 minutes. Phweew.

Say something bad about communism.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

off-topicAbout "communism" itself? What is the scope here? Token criticism is meaningless but I will humor you: I dislike the Khmer Rouge.

I don't care to hear you say something bad about neoliberalism because it's the most prized action by anarcho-bidenists to say "NATO bad" and then agree with NATO about most of its enemies.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Everyone should be able to point out flaws in a system, as no system is perfect. Not even communism. So, point out the flaws in communism, in plain English.

[-] Zoift@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Sure, heres some intro-level crit.

Marx was completely off base with his prediction revolution would arise from urban proleitaritized factory workers and intelligentsia in "developed" nations.

Historically, the majority of revolutions have come from rural agricultural workers in the most exploited colonial holdings.

Luckily, communist political theory didn't end with Marx.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What country has been a good example of communism working?

Edit: TLDR; China, Cuba, Vietnam. None of which I’d consider great places to live, or particularly in line with Socialism.

What I did learn is, hexbears like to team up for the kill, but trip all over themselves and land on their own… claws? Hilarity.

For the record, I’m a socialist, just not a troll.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

And the names are? List form is preferred if you don’t mind.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

List within the study and the classifications:

If this image doesn't display for you(because of the attacks) let me know and I'll find some other way to share it.

Here's an image of how the comparison shakes up:

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Well, your article was from 1986, and this image lists the USSR… please, 2023 successful communist countries. List, text.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am 100% certain that if you compared socialist countries today you would get the same result.

This is extremely obvious when you consider that despite obviously lower levels of development in countries like China, Cuba and Vietnam have higher life expectancy than America.

Not to mention that 21% of america is illiterate whereas literacy in socialist countries is consistently the highest in the world.

Any person doing even the most limited of critical thought about healthcare access, education and life expectancy can understand that socialist countries today would come out on top when compared to their capitalist counterparts that sit at the same level of development.

The fact that you just dismiss it with the USSR present in the data is odd. You are aware that rent in the USSR was 5% of your total income correct? I think your perspective and understanding of how people lived is not in line with reality, your confusion about this data is because you have fully bought into propaganda instead of getting a proper and measured idea about things. You are not immune to propaganda.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Life expectancy is your way to determine successful?

I’m not sure i’d really consider any of those places a good place to live. China is pretty crazy and jails people for talking about Winnie the Pooh. Is that your idea of government?

Cuba and Vietnam also have lower life expectancy than the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Look at Hong Kong kicking ass at #1 though. (Not exactly communist with all that love for the free market)

I think your info might be a bit out of date at this point.

But thanks for the chat.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Using wikipedia is dogshit, stop using it.

The World Bank data is here, which is the same data used in the study: https://datatopics.worldbank.org

The actual current data is:

USA: 77.28

Cuba: 77.57

Vietnam: 75.38

China: 78.08

Look at Hong Kong kicking ass at #1 though.

Hong Kong is not a country, it is a city in China. Individual cities are not good examples of life expectancy when life expectancy of cities typically outperforms life expectancy of rural regions due to quicker access to life-saving medical facilities afforded by density. This is why you really shouldn't rely on Wikipedia for your understanding of anything. You should go to primary sources yourself instead of allowing editors to curate and present information for you.

I think your info might be a bit out of date at this point.

Irony?

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Worldbank.org

403 - Forbidden: Access is denied. You do not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials that you supplied.

I don’t get the irony. Your data is either not found or decades old. Then you shut down Wikipedia, which has sources cited.

I can make an image to display whatever info I want. Your sources are poor, or biased.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your data is either not found

Bro it's the world bank. If you can't access it that's a problem on your fucking side not the most reliable data source used in academia for nations on the fucking planet.

Holy fucking shit is this your first time even hearing about them? Do they teach anything in your schools at all?

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Zoift@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Lmao, good work chief. You tried nothing and are proud af.

https://databank.worldbank.org/

Here, took me 10 seconds of googling to find the main directory. You'll have to type in the search parameters yourself, because im not as nice as Awoo.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let me understand this… you send me a url that is invalid. Then you mock me because I can’t get an invalid link to work. Then, you correct yourself and blame the issue on me, and not you.

Oh and, you forgot to switch your account back.

[-] Zoift@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Different user Lib, and no. I'm mocking you for being unable to do even the most trite bit of googling.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Why would I do someone else’s job for them? We should all pull our own weight, comrade.

Life expectancy has 0 results. What would you like me to search for?

[-] Zoift@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Wait so it’s data.worldbank.org lol

What happened to databank.worldbank.org?

You guys love to give shit, but you’re tripping all over yourselves.

[-] Zoift@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

You guys love to give shit

Correct PIGPOOPBALLS

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I can’t tell if I love you or hate you.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Oh and, you forgot to switch your account back.

Every accusation a confession

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That doesn’t even make sense.

Also, blocked. Have a great night, nothing personal… just not into bear piles.

Fuck capitalism ✌️

It makes perfect sense- they're pointing out you're probably projecting your assumption of account swapping. Those two users are quite certainly different people with different posting habits and pretty significant history on our site.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It’s just funny how y’all flock.

There's a lot of us, and we're ideologically correct and happy to explain why.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Well, “correct” is relative and none of you seem to be willing to participate in a two-way conversation. It just ends up in failed attempts to “win” some kind of game I wasn’t aware we were playing.

I mean, this thread is a great example. I asked what countries are currently communist and successful (relative yes).

The answer included the USSR. They can’t even be bothered to know their own shit. And instead of going “oops, my bad,” like an adult, it escalates and they all sniff it out and pile on.

Honestly, most people find hexbears pretty funny (like funny sad). And when questioned on specific views, they sound very NOT communist.

I have to remind myself, hexbears are just the LEFTY extremist trolls and their methods are identical to righty extremist trolls, and to not feed the bear. (But it’s so fun to watch you all dodge questions)

For the record, I’m very left. Socialist even. Not so much communist, but we share a lot of ideas. I also believe trolling the left pushes them further center, and it is counterproductive outside of your own instance.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is a hilarious take since I've read through it and found that you will weasel away from the issue at every possibility, including pretending not to know how the internet works. It's quite disingenuous and I'm sure that passers-by reading the exchange will come to the same conclusion.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I made myself pretty clear. The url didn’t work, and it’s not my job to find their sources after supplying my own that was disliked.

They weaseled out of my questions, so I don’t see a need to give theirs any interest.

I see you just weaseled away from everything else I said. So, your attempt at insult appears to be you looking in a mirror.

I don’t need to convince you. I know trolls won’t ever back down, even when wrong. You all have identical flawed arguments and methods of attack. I find it quite entertaining how exactly the same you all are.

But, as long as you’re not voting for the righties, I can’t really hate you. 🤷‍♂️

honestly, the "nuh uh, YOU" responses are too good, it's like just admitting that you're outclassed and won't bother to engage

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago
[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

The awesome part is that’s what you’re doing. ❤️

I love the argument style of trolls. It’s all whatabout, and bombarding. I like to just let it play itself out. The only person who cares is them.

I bet you can’t even tell me what we all were originally talking about without making up something that eventually turns into an insult. That’s the tactic of a troll, never get to the point.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's literally not what you just linked to lol. It's what I linked to sure. But you know how to type in a basic URL instead of a subdomain that's only used for certain links.

The url error on my part is irrelevant. You're pretending to be internet illiterate for the sake of defending a position you already know can't be defended. This is what you people always do, rather than accept that any real analysis of human conditions under socialism vs capitalism does not support capitalism you deflect.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Please provide a link to your source that a person can click and get the info. Check your URL before sending.

Also, please stop trying to gaslight me. If you can’t provide actual data—just leave.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

You are not a moron, stop pretending to be. You know how to use the internet. You don't "win" by saying "please provide a link". It's there on the worldbank site, look it the fuck up and stop resorting to debatebro redditisms. If you spoke like this to someone in person they would punch you in the face.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Pull your weight, comrade. You cite a source link, make it work. Don’t be lazy.

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