A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] agentant@lemmy.ml 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You mean the outdated charter that has since been replaced to clarify opposition to the settler colonial state, rather than Jews as a whole?

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, yeah, that's so much better. "We will keep fighting until we eliminate a country" is such a peaceful and lovable sentiment!

[–] agentant@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State? This is like saying it's bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State?

Palestinian State didn't exist before the very same resolution that created Israel. It was the Palestinian Region of the Ottoman Empire. It's like calling people living in the Alps "Alpians" and stating that "the French and the Swiss colonised the legitimate Alpian State".
Israelites, just like Palestinians, have a historical claim to that territory. If you firmly believe that they should not have any part of it - where would you place them?

[–] agentant@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Palestinian people are a people who have lived in that region for hundreds of years, just because they were previously occupied by Ottomans doesn't mean there's no material basis for the nation of Palestine being present in the region. The Jews like the Roma are a stateless nation and we do not need a state. Further, Jews have remained present in Palestine and have peacefully coexisted with them, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't be represented under a Palestinian state. Palestinians themselves, were decedents of the Ancient Israelites who converted to Islam. Aggression between the two groups only started when a genocidal settler colony began using our name, the Jewish People, to justify their actions.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Palestinian people are a people who have lived in that region for hundreds of years, just because they were previously occupied by Ottomans doesn’t mean there’s no material basis for the nation of Palestine being present in the region.

So, exactly like Israelites? Good to see that you actually agree with them having a right to a nation state!

The Jews like the Roma are a stateless nation

Yeah, just like Palestinians were, up until around 1947. 1918 if you count Mandatory Palestine.

Further, Jews have remained present in Palestine and have peacefully coexisted with them, there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t be represented under a Palestinian state

Well, if you ignore all historical data that has very clearly shown Jews and Israelites being persecuted in the region, which was the region for them leaving it in large enough numbers to be considered a stateless nation like the Roma - yeah, then you're absolutely correct.

Aggression between the two groups only started when a genocidal settler colony began using our name, the Jewish People, to justify their actions.

Again, you'd be correct if you ignore the entirety of the history of the region. The persecution of Israelites started around 700 BCE, mate.

[–] agentant@lemmy.ml 2 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

I really don't need some kkkrakkker ass fucking Finn to lecture me about my own people's history just so they can perpetrate the antisemitic correlation of my people to a fucking genocide. So back to Sieg Heiling the statue of Simo The Jew Slayer erected in your town plaza because your people never forgave the Soviets for beating them and their nazi allies in the Second World War.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

You're a fundamentalist extremist and a hateful human. Be better.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

You’re a fundamentalist extremist and a hateful human. Be better.

Finnish genocide enjoyer lectures a Jewish man about how he's hateful for objecting to his culture being used as a shield for colonialism. Almost reads like parody.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

You're the kind of person who calls another "Finnish" just because of the instance they're on. You're not interested in humanity, you're only interested in labels. It's sad and evil.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago) (1 children)

Oh, my apologies. It's totally better if you're a different type of gentile genocide enjoyer lecturing a Jewish man about his own people in order to support a settler colony. /s

You’re not interested in humanity, you’re only interested in labels. It’s sad and evil.

Excuse me if I'm not concerned with a zionist's opinion about "humanity".

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 26 minutes ago (1 children)

Again: you're not reading what I'm writing, you're only seeing "he's not 100% agreeing with me, therefore he's a Nazi Zionist colonialist genocide proponent".

It's pathetic, really.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

As I said:

Excuse me if I’m not concerned with a zionist’s opinion

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

This is like saying it’s bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.

They're a genocide defender from a Finnish instance, they might actually think that.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I love how you guys call me a "genocide defender" after I've stated so many times that Netanyahu and everybody responsible for the genocide should be tried and eliminated. :D

You're exactly like MAGA - a fundamentalist who believes that if someone isn't 100% committed to ALL tenets of your cause, they're a traitor and an enemy. This tribalism is pathetic and a cancer on our society.

[–] agentant@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ok but you don't reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide. This is like saying you're anti-genocide but you support the US's right to exist.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Ok but you don’t reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide

I disagree here.

Palestinians and Israelites lived in the region for - literally - thousands of years, but neither had a nation. The exact same resolution that established Israel, also established Palestine, and that happened after the "civil war" between them. It wasn't genocide, it was a ham-fisted attempt at stopping a genocide, because both parties wanted to eliminate the other.

Do I agree to all Israel's policies, including the occupation of West Bank and Gaza? Absolutely not. Do I agree that the way these two nations were established was correct? Absolutely not.

But this is what they got, and they need to learn to live with it. Just like Qatar did. Or Yemen. Or Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and Jordan, etc. They were all established by the colonial powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they were all created by moronic Europeans who divided the land based off of oil reserves, and not history, culture, or religion. But - somehow - you don't see Qatar fighting Bahrain non stop, or Emirates bombing the Saudis.

This is like saying you’re anti-genocide but you support the US’s right to exist.

I'm against going "ooh, but historically X should be Y". What's the historical state you want to turn back the borders to? Should Poland stop existing because we're turning back time to the 18th century? Are we going back to 19th century, where Ukraine was under the russian boot? What is the "correct" state of the world's borders, in your opinion?

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I love how you guys call me a "genocide defender" after I've stated so many times that Netanyahu and everybody responsible for the genocide should be tried and eliminated. :D

You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing? This genocide is inherent to the state of "Israel", which is a settler colony. If you believe "Israel" should exist, you are a genocide defender.

You're exactly like MAGA - a fundamentalist who believes that if someone isn't 100% committed to ALL tenets of your cause, they're a traitor and an enemy. This tribalism is pathetic and a cancer on our society.

No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because you are.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing?

Yes, the genocide is a recent thing considering the Palestinian population has been steadily growing, while their culture was not in any danger of being wiped out.

This genocide is inherent to the state of “Israel”, which is a settler colony. If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're out to get you right after they've finished eating their newborn babies. WTF are you smoking,

If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what "genocide" means.

Funnily enough - YOU are a proponent of genocide, if you believe the Israelites should have their nationality removed. That's literally one of the defining aspects of a genocide.

No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because they are.

I don't defend colonialism >as defined in real life<. It's not what you consider to be "colonialism", but that's just because you're a fundamentalist and an extremist.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yes, the genocide is a recent thing considering the Palestinian population has been steadily growing, while their culture was not in any danger of being wiped out.

lmao, Nakba AND colonialism denial. Excellent.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they’re out to get you right after they’ve finished eating their newborn babies. WTF are you smoking,

More colonialism denial.

Yeah, it's all just colonialism denial. You are a genocidal colonialism supporter. No amount of calling "Israelis" "Israelites" to pretend they're native to the region and not colonizers will make it true.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Where did I deny colonialism? I acknowledge the fact that Israel is occupying (and colonising) the West Bank and Gaza, I firmly believe they should be pushed out and forced to pay reparations for the decades of stealing land and killing Palestinians.

Is this "colonialism denial" to you?

Yeah, it’s all just colonialism denial. You are a genocidal colonialism supporter. No amount of calling “Israelis” “Israelites” to pretend they’re native to the region and not colonizers will make it true.

Israelis vs Israelites might come from language barrier. English is not my native language.

But saying they're not native to the region when we have archaeological and historical evidence of them being there over 3000 years ago is either extreme ignorance, or fundamentalist extremism.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago) (1 children)

Where did I deny colonialism? I acknowledge the fact that Israel is occupying (and colonising) the West Bank and Gaza, I firmly believe they should be pushed out and forced to pay reparations for the decades of stealing land and killing Palestinians.

You literally deny colonialism in the sentence after asking where you deny it. "Israel" is a settler colony in its entirety, not just in the West Bank and Gaza. Once again, Ben Gurion, who committed the Nakba, was very clear about this. So was Herzl, the main forefather of the "Israeli" state.

Israelis vs Israelites might come from language barrier. English is not my native language.

But saying they're not native to the region when we have archaeological and historical evidence of them being there over 3000 years ago is either extreme ignorance, or fundamentalist extremism.

"Israelis" are the modern day settlers. "Israelites" are the ancient people. "Israelis" are not native to the region. They are mainly europeans, as well as Arab Jews from elsewhere in West Asia and North Africa. Palestinians are native to the region and are descendants of the Israelites who never left.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

It's like you don't even read my comments, just default to "wah, wah, wah, you're a colonialism denier, wah, wah, wah!"

There's no reason to continue this conversation in this context.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 45 minutes ago

It’s like you don’t even read my comments, just default to “wah, wah, wah, you’re a colonialism denier, wah, wah, wah!”

I read your comments denying genocide, that's why I reply by calling you a genocide denier. I have explained over and over, but you don't believe colonialism is genocidal because you are a genocide denier. It seems you also don't even believe colonialism is colonialism.

There’s no reason to continue this conversation in this context.

I agree, I'm not sure why I even bothered to reply to an obvious genocidal zionist for so long.