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“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”

“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”

" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request.  To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I wouldn't say it's worse. It technically claims to have end-to-end encryption while telegram doesn't. I wouldn't trust it at all because it's from Meta, but I don't see how you can say the one at least claiming to have encryption is worse than the one that just flat out doesn't have it.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Lying is worse and you already said you don't trust it at all.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

End to end encryption is worth nothing when WhatsApp have access to the encryption key. And the fact that all photos you see on WhatsApp are saved on your phone without encryption means that it's only encrypted when it's sent, nowhere else.

I also have very suspicious examples of advertising linked to WhatsApp conversations.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Exactly. Meta is fine with What'sApp having E2EE, because they can still spy at the endpoints

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, it's not good. We're talking about if it is worse than telegram though. Not if it's simply good or not.

I thought I was pretty fucking clear on that in my original comment?

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

From my perspective, I'd rather have an enemy of country to have my personal data. It's far harder to use for them than for my country.