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Some ideas re: age verification (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 day ago by mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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There has been a lot of swirl around various pieces of age verification legislation and how different platforms and operating system developers are responding. I believe strongly in privacy and that the responsibility for the online activities of children is that of the parents. That said, as a parent, I think we need better tools available, especially for those who are less technically inclined. Here are my ideas:

A standard needs to be established that is open source and cross platform.
It should run at the OS level.
It should be controlled by someone with administrator access to the device / OS (a parent in the case of devices used by children).
It should be completely optional for that administrator whether they want to turn it on or not.
The only input should be birth year of the child whose account is being set up. No other personally identifiable info should be included.
All relevant sites/apps/platforms such as social media and NSFW sites should be required to honor the age indicator.

It needs to be assumed that at some point, any kid who really wants to learn will find a way to circumvent any controls but parents do need better tools.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

not imprison them, but maybe taking away or limiting child support. but that will 100% not work with the rich.

forcing the parents to install parental control software.. that would be like, here are these approved options, and you like it or not you must use them despite their privacy policies.
instead commercial operating systems (windows, googlified android) could be required to have parental controls built in, and free software systems could apply for funding to implement it, or some other kind of collaboration.

but this is not capitalistic so it wont happen.

[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You seem opposed to the idea of parents doing actual parenting.
But for that matter, apparently so do many parents. They'd rather outsource the issue to the government, the operating system, the operator of whatever platform the kids happen to be using, complete strangers, literally anyone but themselves.
Anything to avoid talking to their offspring about porn, violence, drugs or whatever else.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We already outsource parenting to the government when we send our kids to public school. We send children to complete strangers to be educated because we don't have time to do it ourselves.

Are you opposed to school too?

[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Nice attempt at reductio ad absurdum. Here, let me try, too:
Since we already outsourced all the parenting, I guess you think we should all proliferate like rabbits to further feed the machine. How's that?

OK, now that we got that out of our respective systems, no I'm not opposed to school.
I think as a species we've moved well past the point where a single person could reasonably possess, let alone teach all the knowledge that might be relevant to any single person's life.
I'd also argue that, while adjacent, education is not parenting. Someone can be a teacher to someone without being their parent. Literal well as figurative.
But educators definitely require parents' help and support, otherwise teaching easily turns into an uphill battle against unwilling brats.

The point I was alluding to is, that I think it's impossible to shield children from all the "harmful information" on the internet. Not without turning it into a totalitarian nightmare, and even then I'm not convinced you could fully prevent children occasionally setting "something bad". But you'd surveil the entire population and criminalise perfectly harmless actions in the process.
Instead I think it's the parents' responsibility to prepare their children and contextualise the information they'll doubtlessly come across. They can maybe delay the inevitable with parental control software, but that's their responsibility and if they're technologically inept that's also their problem. Existing laws are perfectly sufficient, if not already overreaching.

I refuse to give up civil liberties because you're afraid to talk to your kids about porn.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

how will the parent do the parenting when the kid can do whatever on the phone given to them when the parent is not around?

parental control software is (supposed to be) what it says it on the tin: software that lets the parent to set up limitations on the device.

built in parental controls are supposed to be options, that the owner can opt into and out of it.