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Should anybody trust Firefox again unless they put "we won't sell your data" back into the privacy policy? (Have they done so...? I can't tell.) (leminal.space)

submitted 20 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) by ell1e@leminal.space to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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Firefox is trying to gain back user trust with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=O-xyNkvIB9g

This is a legit question: Should anybody trust Firefox again unless they put "we won't sell your data" back into the privacy policy? I'm actually not sure if they haven't already done so, let me elaborate:

https://brave.com/privacy/browser/ Brave: "We do not sell, trade, or transfer your information to any third parties." This seems to obviously be in the legally binding text part. As is this one: "It’s Brave’s policy to not collect personal data1 unless it’s necessary to provide services to our users, or to meet certain legal obligations. We do not buy or sell personal data about consumers." (Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer.)

However, for Firefox it seems ambiguous to me, which worries me: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/#notice There is no appearance of "sell" in the entire privacy document, excpet for the top summary where i'm not sure if it's at all legally non-binding.

Does anybody know if it is legally binding? If Mozilla were serious about it, why would they leave it ambiguous whether it is...?

Based on that, I'm not sure if Mozilla's video about getting users back is worth trusting. I wonder if it's just me.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They legally cannot state that they will not sell data, because - according to some states' laws - things like "XX% of users utilise Google as their primary search engine" is already "selling user data".

Because they use user data to calculate that percentage, and it's being used in relationship with Google who is paying Mozilla.

[–] ell1e@leminal.space 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

If this one corner case is the reason, why doesn't Mozilla put it into the legal text? I feel like the ambiguity hurts their position here. That Mozilla is silent about specifics in the legal text, seems rather scary to me.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 9 points 17 hours ago

Because it's not one corner case. There are multiple - they have other sponsors and advertisers.