Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.


Right, the Gaza Genocide isn't US Politics... Those aren't US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.
What a joke.
I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.
For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206
The second article about US media's complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide... do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919
The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics?!?!?!?!!!!!???
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don't even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.
Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.
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Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)
But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.
It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.
- Mehdi Hasan
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza
Wow.
The US is funding the genocide as part of their foreign policy that makes it US politics.
The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.
Israel's war crimes are on Israel.
If you give money to someone after they tell you they are going to use that money to buy a gun and kill people you are morally responsible for those deaths.
Wrong analogy.
Someone tells you "Hey, someone has been breaking into my house, stealing things and breaking up the place."
"Gee, that's awful, you know how to fix that? Shotguns. Here you go!"
Then they go down and shoot up a school.
You didn't tell them to shoot up a school. You helped them with a legitimate need.
The problem is they come back to you and go "Damn it! They broke in again!" and you provide them guns again hoping, beyond all hope, that instead this time, maybe THIS time, they'll actually use them to defend their home.
Nope, this time they shoot up a hospital.
But their illegal use of the weapons is not what you authorized or intended.
I don't know if anyone told you this but the israelis are the ones who broke into the Palestinians house with the help of the allied powers.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-a-collective-crime-20oct25/
that's a distinction without a difference,
Huge difference for the people who legitimately believe Israel has a right to self defense. The problem is they also can't recognize that Israel moved to offense ages ago.
The funding was provided in good faith, it's being used in bad faith. That's the difference.
Mainaiining occupation is not self defense. Nazi germany did not have the right to defend themselves against the people they genocided
No, and that's not the defense the funding was provided for. The US intended Israel to defend itself from repeated attacks by Iran:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel
Then Israel re-directed that support into Gaza and the West Bank.
In response to the bombing of the iranian consulate in Syria. It is none of the usa business anyway to send a single dime to a settler colonial power
Agreed, but as long as politicians rely on donations for re-election campaigns, they will absolutely do anything to keep that money flowing.
You are framing this as sequence of events where the US formerly gave Israel weapons under false pretenses from Israel about what they would be used for when there is no evidence it was under false pretenses, there is no evidence it stopped and there is no evidence it will stop.
You are trying to describe a river as a truck that drove by once, not a continuous flow where each subsequent thing is an evolution and a response to the last. You say well the US drove the truck of weapons to Israel and THEN they committed Genocide with them... I say it is a continous river where if what was happening downstream was truly dammed (and not just damned), the consequences would already be overwhelming for what was attempting to dam an undeniable upstream force even if there is a physical distance of separation described.... it is a river, that is what rivers are, conveyances in communication.
This is a river of arms, death and the machinery of oppression.
First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!
The problem is that US politicians are absolutely blind when it comes to Israeli war crimes. I personally know people in Southern Lebanon impacted not just by what Israel is doing there NOW, but what they have been doing there, Jesus, going back to the 90s through multiple illegal occupations.
All the politicians see is "Hezbollah attacks Israel? ZOMG! More money for defense!"
Ignoring the fact that, the reality on the ground is, they will kidnap a doctor in the middle of the night, tell him if he resists, he will be shot and killed, haul him off to treat a prisoner with no compensation, and then dump him on the side of the road like so much trash when they no longer have a use for him.
That's a true story from the brother of one of my close friends. The difference is, I have the decency and common sense to blame Israel for it, not the US.
It's Israeli policy to bulldoze homes, not US policy:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/08/lebanon-israeli-militarys-deliberate-destruction-of-civilian-property-and-land-must-be-investigated-as-war-crimes/
Don't play cute with me, I am accusing you of a grave crime upon your own soul you fool.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-a-collective-crime-20oct25/
Lets try to keep this simple since I see you can't keep up.
!politics@lemmy.world is specifically for US Politics.
You posted this story:
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
It was removed and you were directed to appropriately post it in !world@lemmy.world where it belongs.
I want you to go over that article very carefully and point to me where it states the US is in any way involved in the invasion of Lebanon.
You can't, because it doesn't.
For example, like this one:
https://www.israelhayom.com/2026/03/12/trump-gave-israel-green-light-for-ground-operation-in-lebanon/
That is something that COULD be posted to !politics@lemmy.world as it specifically indicts a US politician and is directly related to US politics.
Man, you are so stupid
I don't think someone could actually be that stupid, they're probably evil
Show me the vote where the US told Israel to kill as many people as possible. It's cool. I can wait.
There is a radical contingent on Lemmy that wants to blame the US for every evil thing in the world, that is not reality.
They will grow up some day, today is not that day.
Under the genocide and geneva conventions the united states should not give a single dime to Israel until the occupation end. It is complicity but you are too stupid to realize this. Nothing radical about opposing the complicity of the united states in the settler colonial project.
Absolutely agreed, but that doesn't make Israeli war crimes a topic for a community exclusively for US politics.
Post up a story about the US House and Senate voting to fund or de-fund Israel? AIPAC swinging US elections again? Sure.
Israel committing war crimes is World news not US politics.
Your entire argument boils down to a child going "i'm not touching you".
When the US has been funding this and is currently partnering with them for additional war crimes against another nation, I kinda think there's enough overlap to consider it "US political policy."
Thank you for publicly making a fool out of yourself, it makes my task easier to point out your willful ignorance on US politics and how it dangerously bifurcates discussion about the US and Israel.
Zionist gonna Zionism.
Your task is to abide by community rules, which in this case means posting US Politics to Politics and World News to World.
Since you seem simple, let me explain how this works in small words just for you:
This post you made to Politics is FINE and was NOT removed:
https://lemmy.world/post/44253357
Why? "US Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill"
Democratic lawmakers (in the US) introduced a bill (in the US).
That, my friend, is US politics and belongs in Politics.
The OTHER things you posted about Israel, Gaza, etc. are NOT US politics.
You are welcome to post them in World as you were repeatedly told.
As long as APAIC is funneling money into US politicians, everything Israel does is tangential to US politics.
In the 2022 midterm elections, AIPAC spent roughly $27 million, a figure that more than tripled to over $100 million for the 2024 cycle.
The US provided about $4 billion in aid to Israel.
We are right now engaged in a war - sorry, armed conflict - with Israel leading the charge.
So, yeah, have fun in your echo chamber where US politics is entirely divorced from the rest of the world.
I'm sorry, but it's absolutely not. Look at the posts Squirrel had removed:
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.
https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/
What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, or News, not Politics.
https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/
Similarly, what US corporations do or do not do is not Politics. World please.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
Correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel. Not US Politics.
They were told repeatedly where the posts were appropriate and chose to argue instead of simply re-posting in the correct community.
American coorporates complicity with it is us politics
This is such a weird distinction. Everything Israel does is with the help of US policy. Like I don't understand why it's not allowed by the communities rules.
Exactly, it isn't even some weird conspiracy either, empires have had vassal states since as long as empires have existed, why are we pretending now that vassal states don't exist as a concept because the subject is the US and Israel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzerainty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal_state
It is remarkable arguing against someone where all it takes is literally two wikipedia articles about basic political concepts to demolish their moderation policy for the largest Political community on a network.
What Israel is doing are specific actions taken by Israel. They are not being directed by US policy or US Politicians. The US provides funding for Israeli defense which Israel immediately misappropriates for the genocide.
Again, Israeli war crimes, not US war crimes.
There is no US policy stating "Gaza? Pfffft... kill 'em all."
But that is exactly what US policy is, in effect. By refusing to hold Israel accountable, by continuing to supply arms and political cover, and by joining hands with Israel to attack Iran, the US government (both parties) has repeatedly endorsed, aided and abetted the genocidal government of Israel. The stain of that genocide can't be washed away so easily, simply by you naively claiming US politicians thought Israel would use such support purely for self defence. Nobody is buying the obvious bullshit you are selling. US politicians want Israel to be a US stronghold in the region, no matter what. The whole world thinks the US is culpable, because we have eyes and ears.
"In effect" but not explicitly stated. Unless you can point to it actually being US Policy, it doesn't belong in a community dedicated to US policy.
Again, this is why separate communities exist and have their own rules. You don't go into the carnivore community going on about how "hey, beefsteak tomatoes are effectively the same thing! It's in the name!"
removed because you know you are wrong