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What does "authoritarian" mean, in your words? If the overwhelming majority of communists support socialist states, isn't that just being a communist? I support the working class having the authority of the state to suppress capitalists and fascists, and I am against the capitalist class having that authority. I'm also for a democratically run society. What separates my views from what you believe a "non-authoritarian communist" believes?
Lmao. You know very well that the idea of stateless communism exists, so no. The overwhelming majority of self-described communists support socialist states? According to who? Polling from CPUSA? Your interpersonal relationships? There are plenty of leftists on lemmy who would call themselves anarchosocialist or anarchocommunist. But okay, sure, I kinda get the idea behind "well if the majority agrees that a socialist state is required for communism, doesn't that just make it communism?". But these people are ALSO sometimes communist. Tankie is a pejorative mostly used by leftists to punch right, not by liberals to punch left. That's been what I've seen. Liberals don't even know what the fuck a tankie is outside of lemmy. Liberals here just use it because actual leftists use it to punch right at auth commies.
Don't joke with me. You know the material difference between a state imposing law on sometimes unwilling citizens and people that live harmoniously in good will with one another.
Communism is stateless, but it can only come about post-socialism, which has a state. You cannot skip from capitalism to communism.
The CPC alone has over 100 million members, and communist orgs around the globe are most commonly Marxist-Leninist. This includes the Black Panther Party, which supported the DPRK and sent people to learn from the WPK and CPC:
We aren't talking about anarchism.
I've only ever seen it used by liberals or anarchists, and never to punch right but to punch left.
Is your point that any state with laws is authoritarian? I'd agree, which is why it's better for the working classes to control the state as they do in socialist countries so that we can collectivize all production and distribution to erase the material basis of the state for good.
Yes, my point is that any state with laws is authoritarian. I think I also said in another post that I think an authoritarian government does not have to be bad. The problem is that the government is doing bad things, though, so like...
How do we not all understand the moral inconsistency of insisting people "not vote for genocide" and then be complicit in things like Russian imperialism and Chinese suppression of freedoms lol
The "bad things" you pointed to were putting down violent protests from the Chinese equivalent of 4chan posters. The "freedoms" the CPC suppresses are not blanket but instead directed against capitalists, fascists, and those that undermine the socialist system and work against the majority of society. There is nothing inconsistent about opposing the right-wing DNC and GOP and supporting socialism.
Violent protests according to whom btw?
Counter-protestors and the government. That's why it's important to recognize that the majority opposed independence.
Idk I mean obviously you gave me the NYT so it's probably pretty anti-China and depicts all this stuff as fighting back. But do you have evidence it's not?
Obviously the conflict was two-sided. The rioters called it "fighting back," while the counter-protestors supported the extradition law that would allow the government to arrest a convicted murderer that had fled to Hong Kong to avoid punishment. The correct course was to put down the riots, which happened with less than 5 deaths according to Wikipedia.
I don't think it's fair to classify the protests as riots when the violence seems to have mostly been escalated from the police side and the violence against counter protesters seems to be fairly isolated incidents taking place between small groups? Give some more insight, you might be turning me a little bit here
Why do you believe the riots started? Why were they put down, and how? Western reporting on counter-protests was limited because western media supported the anti-PRC protests, as they usually do, but that doesn't mean they did not exist.
Yeah, I think the protests are stupid now that I look at why it happened.
That being said, I still can't trust you, it's so hard to get around to the good info when I know you're actively attempting to use language to manipulate my thinking. Framing them as "riots" when they are acknowledged internationally as mostly peaceful protests.
The west calls them peaceful, but I gave several examples of how that wasn't the case. If you feel I am being too biased in my charactrtization to a manipulative degree, I ask that you apply the same scrutiny to, say, BBC's portrayal of events, including their intentional use of language.
Being 100% transparent, I am trying to get you to reconsider your position, and part of that is by deliberately using the word "rioter." This causes you to re-contextualize what you thought you knew more than if I had just said "protestor." We all have bias, and my bias is pro-communist, and pro-PRC. Just as you try to see how and why I use language, sources, and whatnot to portray how I see the events, I ask that you hold western media to the same degree of scrutiny.
Finally, bias does not mean the absence of fact. I did my best in recommending largely western sources, if I had just used CGTN it might have been easier but then I would have been taking the easy way out, and just as easily dismissed as only accepting official state media. Bias paints how we percieve the same events, how we speak about them, and connects it to a broader class character.
Except for Hong Kong and Ukraine, of course. Lol.
Dunno where you got that from. Fuck the Ukraine government and Hong Kong government.
Why does me taking issue with a government's actions against civilians make me pro-some government? Oh right, it doesn't, you're just too brainwashed to understand that not everyone falls in line into "camps" like you choose to do. Sheep.
Lol. Yeah, you're a real independent thinker