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Prisontation camp (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 day ago by geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to c/ManufacturingConsent@lemmy.ml

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Imprisonment doesn't mean someone has been charged or convicted of a crime.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Usually, however, imprisonment is understood to imply actual confinement against one's will in a prison employed for the purpose according to the provisions of the law

Can people stop linking Wikipedia articles which they don't read? As with almost everything in this com, it's not pointing out that the language is factually incorrect, but that it's used selectively in a very biased manner.

Hamas took like 200 people prisoner of which most were actually combatants. But they got accused of taking "hostages".

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But they got accused of taking "hostages".

And holding them prisoner.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Alright now I know you're just here to troll. Bye

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 5 points 23 hours ago

Good riddance

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

let's not get bog down with semantics, the point is that Israel has mass detained Palestinian citizens and now it's trying to mass execute them all. they are already in the concentration camps and want to upgrade to deaths camps.

they must be stopped.

[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I agree with your points, but Susan(original pic) didn't help at all with her statement. They are prisoners even if illegally so, falsely accused, or locked up for no reason. It would have been much more constructive for her to mention that they have no reason to be imprisoned, rather than make her statement that they're not prisoners.

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

Sure, everyone imprisoned is a prisoner under international law, but I assume Susan is aiming her comment at an america-centric audience.

I think large enough parts of Lemmy get the disproportionate news titling from "credible" news orgs such as NYT reading along the lines of "30 dead in Gaza building collapse" vs. "2 mothers brutally murdered in Tel Aviv during new wave of terror bombing"

Are we really going to knitpick on Susan for calling them "not prisoners" because they're not imprisoned like the average peacetime prisoner: with at least a resemblance of a due process?

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

she was just clarifying they they were innocent. because "prisoner" has negative connotations

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

It looks to me like she did both. Which is exactly what she should have done.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 day ago

The whole point of the reply to that post was to argue semantics.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The point is that the palestinians are considered "prisoners" while the settlers are considered hostages.

"Prisoners" conveys some kind of legitimacy to their detention like probable cause where there is none.