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[-] jadero@programming.dev 52 points 1 year ago

I learned that Android was not open under my personal definition of "open" right from the outset, because there was no programmatic access to telephony. My first project was to build an on-board answering machine with call screening capabilities.

I used an answering machine on my landline to avoid paying for caller id and voicemail and wanted to do the same with my cellphone. I was very disappointed to learn that this was not possible, at least with my skillset.

I knew that things were going the wrong way when my Tasker script to manage airplane mode stopped working when Android required locked it away. My use case there was that lack of connectivity at the gym and at home meant that connection attempts were draining my battery and heating up the phone. Now, of course, Android does a much better job of that particular task on its own, but it still makes me cranky. :)

Everything that has happened since has only cemented my opinion that Android is not actually an open platform. I do see many of the changes as potentially valuable security measures for the masses, but I wish that it wasn't quite so difficult for a power user to use the power of the little computer we carry in our pockets.

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

On my last android device I didn't need root at all, but on my current one Google has gimped the OS so much that root access is the only way to have any kind of ownership of the device.

Even just the fact that Google's "backup" system (which does not handle app data the last time I checked) depends on the cloud, instead of iTunes that has been able to do a full system backup to your own computer for YEARS (in addition to icloud), is honestly a big joke in my eyes.

Everything that has happened since has only cemented my opinion that Android is not actually an open platform. I do see many of the changes as potentially valuable security measures for the masses, but I wish that it wasn't quite so difficult for a power user to use the power of the little computer we carry in our pockets.

I feel exactly the same way

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their backup system does handle app data, but only if the app does not opt out of it. Which is an incredibly stupid system. It's my phone, if I tell it to backup up my data it better back up everything. I don't care if some banking app thinks it's too good to be backed up.

However, as a long time rooted phone user I know that the rooting community is always 2 steps ahead of Google so most likely nothing will change.

[-] alr@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure I want my banking apps to store anything on my phone in the first place. But maybe that's just me. I don't even use banking apps.

[-] ChickenAndRice@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

It's open as in "look but don't touch"

As a Pixel user, I'm looking into either Graphene or CalyxOS

[-] jadero@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

I ran Copperhead OS (the predecessor to Graphene) and really liked it. Sadly, the phone went into the lake and I've not been able to afford to replace it with one capable of Graphene.

It's absolutely open source, but you might rather be limited in your software freedom.

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