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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by pineapplelover@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.ml

A couple hours before I was on the edge of getting a Fairphone 5 but I read the specifications and didn't see 3.5 mm audio jack anywhere. So I thought to myself...why? The community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not. They're already making money on the phone, they're really pushing for people to get their wireless headphones? Just add the headphone jack, shouldn't be too hard.

They said they're treating their workers fairly, sourcing from ethical sources, renewable claims, repairability claims, and supporting foss projects (they donated a fp4 to CalyxOS to support development). All of these are amazing, so adding a little headphone jack shouldn't be that hard in the grand scheme of all this.

*Add the headphone jack and I'll be happy to support and get a fp5.

https://calyxos.org/news/2022/02/25/device-support/

https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5

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[-] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 1 year ago

What I mean that you're only point is "you're not the majority so shut up". You're confusing this with some zero-sum game. Me having a mini jack in the phone doesn't mean that you, a person that doesn't care about one, is somehow disadvantaged. There still are flagship phones with mini jacks. Those phones are not bigger or more expensive. You agreed already that Apple didn't remove the mini jack to make the phone smaller, it was just to make more money. It's the same 7 years later, people still don't believe it's for any other reason than to make a little bit more money. Ok, so you're a docile consumer. When company does something you don't like you just say 'well, I'm in the minority, I will still just buy it without complaining". That's ok, do you. It's just weird you're so annoyed with people who do complain, especially on lemmy. Linux has ~3% market share. I guess we should just stop complaining when companies don't support it, majority of people don't care. Most people don't care about privacy, they care about cheap and easy products, let's stop complaining about Google and Meta tracking everyone. And obviously no one here represents any community. People just express their opinions.

[-] ghandi9@lemmy.meg.li 1 points 1 year ago

What I mean that you’re only point is “you’re not the majority so shut up”.

My only point is "you're not the majority", you don't even need to shut up, you can have whatever opinion you want to have, just don't pretend to represent "the community" when you don't..

Me having a mini jack in the phone doesn’t mean that you, a person that doesn’t care about one, is somehow disadvantaged.

It's an additional port that needs to be included into the design and that needs physical space. And it's another way to get dust and/or fluids into the phone, all without any benefit for me or most users.. You can claim that the impact is minimal, but there still is an unnecessary impact.

You agreed already that Apple didn’t remove the mini jack to make the phone smaller, it was just to make more money.

Everything apple does and other companies do is to make more money, that's pretty much the entire motivation behind anything companies do..

It’s the same 7 years later, people still don’t believe it’s for any other reason than to make a little bit more money.

Of course it is to "make more money", or rather to save money on things that have no measurable benefit for most users..

Ok, so you’re a docile consumer. When company does something you don’t like you just say 'well, I’m in the minority, I will still just buy it without complaining".

No, when a company does something I don't like or that is a dealbreaker for me, I don't buy the product..

It’s just weird you’re so annoyed with people who do complain, especially on lemmy.

People can complain about whatever they want. What is annoying to me is when people say stuff like "the community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not." or "adding a little headphone jack shouldn’t be that hard" when this debate has been settled years ago already..

Linux has ~3% market share. I guess we should just stop complaining when companies don’t support it, majority of people don’t care. Most people don’t care about privacy, they care about cheap and easy products, let’s stop complaining about Google and Meta tracking everyone.

Again, you can complain all you want. But if somebody made a post saying "Google is still using, selling and tracking user data. The community has been requesting that they stop doing that years ago, so why do they still do it? They only do it to make money. Just stop doing it, shouldn't be too hard.", it would in my opinion be a ridiculous and pointless post..

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 1 year ago

Ok, I agree, the OP was wrong to pretend that he represents the community. So we agree that removing mini jack made the product worse for a lot of people, those people have the right no to buy this product, they have the right to complain, they just shouldn't not do it in the name of the entire community. Let's call it a day.

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