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do you like being in the lgbt+?
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No. I don't like how being queer has granted me special rights, both legally and socially. I find it easier to just say I'm queer, but not a part of the rainbow.
I dislike being grouped in the more rabid aspects of the queer community, the kind that religiously defends Drag, encourages sexual deviancy and praises censorship.
And I especially dislike the forcefulness of pride. A day. A month. Another month. It never stops. It's just so artificial and exists purely to sell rainbow products and prime-time entertainment. 'keep consuming, you gay.'
What's wrong with drag and sexual deviance? They don't hurt anyone.
Having a month to celebrate pride is forceful? Who is forcing you to do anything related to pride?
as a sex repulsed asexual, i’m not personally a huge fan of how sexual/horny the LGBT community can tend to be in online spaces at least. back on reddit, a lot of LGBT meme subs or even just r/bisexual for example (i’m biromantic) are really sexual especially. pride events don’t feel particularly comfortable for me either because of this.
i totally understand why the community tends to be this way when it’s based on sexuality and gender alone as a uniting force, and that’s okay, but it regardless isn’t something i’d like to personally be associated with much. i support people doing whatever they like within their own home so long as it is of age humans consenting, but in outside environments just tends to make me uncomfortable.
I would love to know the "special rights" being queer grants people. I could use some
Mainly in the employment sector. You're more likely to be hired if you happen to be queer. Likewise, I can take someone to court for calling me a fag or what other slur they blurt out, yet they can't take me to court if I attack their heterosexuality. That doesn't seem fair to me.
More likely to be hired if queer? On what universe??
i don't even think this is correct, but even if we ignore that and accept it to be true: i am pretty confident no group of heterosexuals in human history have ever been oppressed for any protracted period of time for being heterosexual. comparatively, it is still not that weird and in many places and contexts socially normalized to discriminate against queer people, even where they have existing protected rights. this seems like a completely unobjectionable asymmetry given that fact. i would question anybody who thinks it is weird.
It's nice you don't think it's correct, but fortunately, it is.
True, but that isn't my point. My point is that I have abilities that straight people do not. That is not equality.
Absolutely, those are the places we need to focus pride on, not on the latest corporation logo, special rainbow burger or a tweet from a washed-up boomer.
...you just sent me a link which explicitly says sexual orientation, blanketly, is covered by nondiscrimination and equality laws with no exception for heterosexuality? i'm going to be honest i don't know what point you're making here and you strike me as having kind of reactionary positions informed by information you're not correctly interpreting.
If you can't be bothered reading my source, that's on you. I can explain the law to you if you so wish.
That all totally sounds awesome to me considering I face death in my country for being bi. Would love to only have to worry about fairness
What country would that be?
I never advertise that for safety reasons
Then why even bring it up
Because it is a good counter to your points
If anything it reinforces my points. What has worldwide pride done to protect you and get you to a safe country? What have all those rainbow burgers done to help you? What about those social media posts silencing idiots?
Nothing.
countries
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
See that's what bothers me about pride as well. We rather focus our efforts on something super fucking petty like some boomer saying dumb shit on Twitter instead of, you know, literal death penalties in other countries.
well, for one thing many of these "boomers" have the power to change the laws of this country (or to influence social feelings toward queer people) and in their ideal world want the death penalty for queer people; and for another, you're not going to find people who object to the ongoing oppression of queer people in the US and think it isn't fucked up that Afghanistan executes gay people or whatever, so... ironically you're doing the twitter stereotype of making up a person to get mad at here. i don't think this describes literally any person of significance in the queer community
You're also making up a person with your "changing the laws" via the power of boomers tweets.
Personally, I don't care what happens in the US. It's a third-world country and will continue to remain as such.
you've pretty glaringly misread my post if you think that's what i said. my point here is--i think pretty unambiguously--that we have no shortage of "boomers" who tweet and are in positions of power to directly influence the law. these are not the mutually exclusive groups you present, or seem to think them as being.
Where are you from? In my country, we had a referendum on equality, likewise did other democratic countries, such as Ireland and Taiwan.
These countries already show that the Boomers are an inherent minority, and they lack the numbers and political power to change this.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Dr. King
And using that quote means that this mean tweet is more of an injustice than your situation. Do you see my frustration in pride now?
I am in a country facing life and death for my biology. I am also cheering on people in privileged countries like yours who want to have over-the-top pride parades because it is something I hope my country can experience someday (minus the rainbow capitalism). So no I really do not understand the POV of someone who has something amazing that I wish I could have and hates it.
Because you deserve it more.
But we're not doing anything to help you. We're just rallying up and down the street with our rainbow banners and corporate sponsorships, not giving a flying fuck about the rest of the world's pride.
Love and pride are not limited resources. I would say grassroots pride celebration are big and bold because other places won't allow of them. It's celebrating the freedom to express yourself and love who you love openly. One celebration isn't taking away from the lack of another, if anything it's bringing attention to the queer community and how important the right to existence is. Of course it would be ideal for all the corporate overlords to put the money they spend on pride marketing into political action in the countries lacking queer rights but that's not an option we have. It's not like pride is a limited currency we are spending on ourselves and keeping from our oppressed lgbtqa+ community.
Completely agree. Sometimes it goes a bit too far. When I finally accepted myself as Bi, I tried joining the Bi-themed subreddits (back when I still used reddit) and I did not like it. They were all obsessed with labeling weird traits as evidence of being Bi (liking frogs, sitting on chairs weird, etc) and just being really horny. I quickly left. Sometimes the crazy conservatives do have a point: a lot of the lgbtq community is obsessed with sex.
Like, here's a recent example of how I don't like this new mainstream pride. I went in for a mental health episode at a youth centre, and once I mentioned my sexuality, I was referred to a Pride Space.
How is my mental illness even related to being put into a group of other queer people? I exited out of that right quick if I'm just another diversity quota.
Sometimes it can be helpful to be in a space with people who might share similar experiences. A lot of queer people experience rejection by their birth families and having other people going through the something gives them a new support system. Those organisations often have specialised therapy available and resources that can help.
Of course you shouldn't feel pressured into a space you don't feel comfortable in but your comments all seem very pointed and angry about other people's celebrations. The world can be a dark place and I also hate ~~rainbow~~ Capitalism but that's all the more reason to support small queer businesses and throw your own celebrations with friends.