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Antiwork
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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
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Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
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Labor in China isn't all that cheap. If you are going to come on here and be a smart ass, at least be accurate about why we are there.
Nobody who has actually had to compare the costs of local manufacturing vs "send it to China and don't ask questions" is going to agree with you.
The people making the decision to offshore to China are not the people who will be doing QA/QC, and they’re definitely not the people who get their hands dirty prior to offshoring. The people who make that decision are trying to cut labor and thus product costs to make their quarterly bonus bigger. They likely won’t be around long enough to even hear about the increase in defective products and if electronic, the corners cut at the Chinese factories on materials.
I worked at a company that had electrical devices manufactured in China and was very displeased when one of the factories offered to whip up any safety certifications we needed with no actual testing. Thankfully the owners quit doing business with that factory after that. Another factory owner collected meal receipts from visitors so they could cheat on their taxes. Anybody openly trying to cheat on their taxes isn’t fooling me with confidence that they’re by the book when it comes to other aspects of their life.
Oh, I guess the shifts moving to countries like Indonesia and other SE asian countries are just made up.
Do you have any actual point to make or are you just lashing out because people aren't fellating multi-millionaires? You definitely never elaborated on the real reason "why we are there".
Companies moved to China because poverty made labour cheap and corruption made regulations minimal, just as the poster said.
That seemed to have upset you, because apparently it's still not cheap and exploitative enough for you.
Nor is it cheap enough for the companies you're leaping to the defense of by claiming it's moving "countries like Indonesia and other SE asian countries".
But notice where it isn't moving? Places like Germany (a country globally recognised for their high standard of engineering) or America (despite it being the richest country in the world and the forefront of many technologies).
Instead, it's moving to places with more poverty and less bargaining power, because those companies are run by cunts and allowed to do cunt things.
Anyway, what do you do for work?