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Reddit is in danger of a death spiral
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Great article, except super cringe at the end suggesting Beehaw specifically and not saying "Lemmy" or something to indicate it is part of a wider service.
Honestly kind of a hilarious misunderstanding of Lemmy too. Beehaw will never replace reddit because they explicitly do not want to and have already taken aggressive steps to make sure that they don't (i.e. detailed application requirements and defederating multiple instances).
The application requirements are merely a way to manage growth and keep bots out. Defederation is also an essential management tool that all major instances are utilising. Both of these are being used to restrict bots and trolling.
Because people keep unintentionally hyping up Beehaw, they do not understand that Beehaw is nothing special and that everyone would be better off unsubscribing from its communities to let it be its own island since it doesn't like the whole federation concept anyway (at least not since it finished exploiting it to grow to its current user count). I already unsubscribed from all their communities after their dick move.
I was reading these comments on beehaw yesterday defending the defederation from shitjustworks because of T_D sub with like 10 subscribers and I was already getting a little worried thinking what I've gotten myself into. Glad to see the view on this on other instances seems a bit more balanced and reasonable. Beehaw seems toxic as hell.
Toxic? Do you know what this word means?
They made it their stated goal to create a safespace for people who are, for example, in a vulnerable state.
They should defederate entirely and become an island. The world is not a safe place.
That's like saying "kill yourself because you die anyway"
I see that their mass defederation is potentially temporary.
But the point that hairtrigger defederation results in fragmentation, up to the point of insularisation remains valid. Islands naturally tend to become obscure.
I'm kinda out of the loop here, but what happened to beehaw? What did I miss out on?
Long story short, they don't have the mod capacity to micromanage evry single comment, since unless you defederate, you have to moderate every comment and post that gets seen by your instance, so the whole fediverse basically, and they just can't do that.
Some instances have attracted some toxic behaviors and federating with them added an influx of comments that weren't in line with their rules.
They decided to defederate all the big instances that didn't filter sing ups.
It's a blanket solution, and honestly, I don't blame them for it, lemmy moderation is a bit hell.
Their rules are a bit strict, but I approve of what they are trying to do, creating a "safe" space... The rest of the fediverse is a bit of a far-west with anything goes being the rule...
Exactly. And beehaw is far from the only instance that has had to defederate to limit not attacks and trolling. Beehaw just did it more than others.
There's nothing to stop instances refederating later, and no doubt this will happen when the dust settles and the tools are developed.
Defederating is literally a part and feature of the fediverse.
and so is unsubscribing from everything that is Beehaw and ignoring their existence
hey man, just so you're aware ( because maybe you don't see it) your tone comes off retaliatory when all beehaw did is try to protect their community using the tools available. is that wrong? why would you follow that with unsubscribing from good communities there? I'm not getting it.
Nothing of value was lost. Let the idiots who think defederation and banning is the answer to everything wall themselves off
The biggest mistake* Mastodon made was that they promoted "Mastodon" instead of a specific instance.
I think they're absolutely right to just pick an instance and recommend that, or if that instance doesn't work, try this other one. Which instance they pick is not what I care about more than just picking some specific instance. Beehaw may or may not have been the best choice, but I'm glad they picked one.
*I understand why Mastodon wanted to be neutral, but it was horrible for onboarding people.
Agreed. As someone not into microblogging, I just wanted to check what Mastodon was about when the Twitter drama went on, but couldn't be bothered understanding federation just to check a site out.