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AOC Says She Would ‘Absolutely’ Vote to Oust ‘Very Weak’ Speaker McCarthy
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Pelosi told the caucus that McCarthy was not to be trusted before the vote. Kevin’s gonna regret breaking his deal with Biden while also making it impossible to stay in power without a decent number of democrats. Just let the cannibals eat each other, seems to be the attitude.
They guy thinks he's much smarter than he actually is. He's good at complaining about things but then it comes to actual leadership he falls flat on his face simply because he's not smart enough to do the job effectively. People here hate Nancy Pelosi but she was unbelievably effective at keeping the party together when it came to important legislation that they wanted passed.
I know I’m stepping into murky waters here. I do believe McCarthy is a weak speaker because he can’t keep his party under thumb.
But I’m also struggling to reconcile that they came up with a bipartisan bill (granted, not a longterm one). No one gets everything they want. Isn’t that what we want balanced and working government to do?
They only did it at the 11th hour, and probably only because their donors were leaning hard on them because a shutdown would fuck up their money, along with another possible credit rating downgrade
Yes, but functional and working governments do so with reasonable deadlines and well ahead of the "fuck, we're literally out of money" point. Problem is, the republicans thrive on dysfunction and are more than willing to burn things down to hurt people, go back on agreements, and explicitly state how they don't want a functional government.
I'm of the opinion that waiting until the last possible moment is an intentional feature (in general) and NOT an accident or indicator of incompetence. Bare with me here, because I DO agree there's a lot of incompetence, but also ...
They are constantly testing the political winds, the media coverage, the social media reactions, and very much so, their donor's reactions to all of the other reactions. So they float balloons, see what happens, adjust, rinse repeat.
Or said another way, the public and private outrages are a feature, not a bug. How else would they know how far they can push things. It fucking sucks, and is a horrible way to govern, and my take makes them even scummier.
feels like you have stockholm syndrome here... they managed to not shut down the government at the 11:59 mark by actually working together, and will now go back to bickering. yes, this is what people want, but in general, not only when they're about to screw everything up.
Sounds like you're trying to naively see bipartisanship in a situation where they only came together under the threat of massive economic disaster, instead of seeing a completely disfunctional government that threatens long term economic growth by fucking around until the last possible second to actually do their goddamned jobs.
Don't pretend this circus is what the people want, because this circus is hurting people so political terrorists can do their thing and pretend ideology is more important than their constituents.
That's because they didn't. They decided to extend last year's bill 45 more days.
Congress already passed the budget. This is just the party of “government doesn’t work” trying to prove it can’t work by breaking things.