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Israel says no exceptions to Gaza siege unless hostages freed
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"If Hamas doesn't return our hostages, we will kill every man, woman, and child in Gaza."
These countries are fucked up
Egypt could let them in but:
Does dying on their land really help their cause?
https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/
It's probably because they know they won't be temporary refugees. If they leave Gaza they will never be allowed to return. It's ethnic cleansing.
Pretty sure the 50% of the Gaza population who are children would be better off not being bombed to fuck. That's ethnic cleansing. Moving down the road a bit while Hamas gets wiped out seems a wise move.
True that's also ethnic cleansing. Hm. Maybe some country shouldn't be engaged in ethnic cleansing. Maybe that's the actual problem.
Yes, Hamas' entire existence is built on their charter to ethnically cleanse the Israelis..
Meanwhile, Israel doesn't need to put it into a charter. They just do it, and have been for decades.
We've just witnessed what happens when Hamas puts all of their might into their charter of ethnic cleansing. If Israel had such a charter, what would it look like if Israel put all their might into ethnically cleansing Gaza?
Innocent people always suffer in war, maybe provoking an unwinnable one has consequences for others in your nation. Maybe some country shouldn't invade its neighbor, slaughter and kidnap its civilians to avoid such retribution.
Palestine at this point is a sickly rage-drunk inconsolable angry person at the bar, yelling about how their home got repossessed to build the establishment. In a rage they punch the bouncer in the face, and when the predictable beat-down occurs they plead, "Look what they're doing to me! I'm being unfairly repressed! I have kids who will suffer because of this! This is systemic oppression! They made me do it!"
Except in this case the bouncer shows up the next day in the drunk's neighborhood and starts shooting up all the homes and kills a bunch of his neighbors and the newspapers call him a hero.
I honestly couldn't tell if you were talking about Israel or Palestine here lol.
What really grinds my gears, are people who purposefully immigrated to both Gaza, and as Israeli settlers, just to have as many kids as possible to increase the population, then use their own kids as throwaway tokens in a fully expected conflict.
Having double nationality and now asking "their countries" to avacuate them, is just extra insulting.
Palestinian militants have a history of establishing enclaves and starting civil wars within the countries that host them. Arab countries have an apprehension about allowing too many Palestinians in because of this history.
This was a sad thing to learn about. Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait. All of them saw civil war or strife after taking in Palestinians :/.
It's almost like a certain group doesn't want peace.
FTFY
That's really not the flex you think it is.
Yes, Iranian regimes have provided material aid to Palestinian militants towards their goals. That aid is still being provided, hence continuing apprehension.
Would it work for a larger country to fly in refugees, since hopefully they'd be much more resistant to civil wars? It'd be hard to sell your citizens on spending that much on non-citizens though.
You'd basically be flying a while other small country into your country. I doubt any state wants that.
They don't all need to go one place, but I agree it's unlikely to happen.
This is potentially larger than the rwandan genocide if you count all 2M inhabitants. We can't just let all these people die.
Right? We could split them up more, basically make the entire population a refugee diaspora split among various Arab countries, but then that means the Jewish people just did to another people what they claim was bad for them. Plus, isn't forcing migration is basically genocide? We can't condemn Stalin for doing the same thing a country we support is doing.
Yeah, that'd be pretty terrible. But letting them be killed would be a lot worse. If there aren't enough supplies able to get in, and countries don't want to force Israel, it might be the lesser of two evils.
That is a better solution for those who want to flee or have the means or freedom to flee, or are ok with abandoning their communities and historical ties. However this would only help those refugees. For those who remain the situation will remain untenable until militants stop rising to power within Palestinian territories, and Israel negotiates a two state solution that involves giving up some land.
I have a feeling we'll have more refugees than capacity to help them. But I agree.
I assume the idea is to get the starving Palestinians turn on Hamas.
How would they turn on Hamas? What would that even look like? I've heard tons of interviews with Palestinians, and almost all were just as shocked at what happened as Israelis. Many, many already do not support Hamas, but what is there to even do about that when you're just trying to find enough food and water to keep your family alive?
That strategy has been tried a million times and it has never worked. Remember when Cubans ousted Castro? Me neither.