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submitted 1 year ago by DeadWorld@lemm.ee to c/brainworms@lemm.ee

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/830212

The absolutely beautiful reason that I can tell that they still aren't agreeing to Fords concessions is because they in solidarity with new workers that don't even exist yet, are demanding that Fords new battery plants they are building be placed under the same labor agreement they are fighting for.

"The UAW, according to Ford officials, has taken a hard line on requiring the company’s four new battery plants be placed under the terms of the labor agreement."

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[-] zepheriths@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago

That's a great idea in an economy with low unemployment let's fire everyone, surely the workers will be easily replaced.

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

And surely there won't be a drastic drop in quality when they hire too few workers who have no experience. This will mean delays and recalls on purchases.

[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 51 points 1 year ago

It's Ford. How much lower can the quality go?

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

They could start pre-rusting the fenders!

[-] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No CarPlay or Android Auto.

Wait —they’re actually doing that

[-] Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or worse: Stellantis

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Dodge was right there.

[-] Montagge@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

As much as I like to shit on GM and their poor designs I don't know that I would place them under Ford.

[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

I'd agree but it's close. The transmissions in fiesta's and the 3k water pump jobs on the v6's put them under GM in my book. They both have timing chain issues, but you can at least easily change the waterpumps on the v6 gms.

[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Maybe they're committed to F.O.R.D. - Fix or Repair daily.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

That's Fiat Dale

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

Found On Road Dead

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Probably still better than the Escape and Fiesta put together quality.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Didn't the last company that tried this have to shut down factories due to scabs wrecking it thru lack of training?

EDIT: Yep, it was Kellog's & they totally lost that battle.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Would be a shame if some "scabs" "without training" "accidentally" destroyed the factory

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I can be so "clumsy" with my bags of sand and metal filings around expensive machinery. Can't break tradition though. Gotta always have my bags of lucky dust.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Aw man, I dropped my bag of thermite and accidentally lit it on fire

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Oh shit, was that your lucky bag?

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Institutionalknowledgesayswhat?

[-] Sowhatever@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Are those recalls gonna happen next quarter? No?

Then they don't care.

[-] Magrath@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah. If this goes through don't even touch a Ford vehicle from the years 2024-2026 at least. Will be full of defects.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ford has the most recalls of any automaker in the US the last like three years running though. So maybe don't buy a new ford from anytime in the last like 5 years either.

[-] nickwitha_k 2 points 1 year ago

Though, proportionally, Tesla has the most, by a large margin.

[-] bluGill@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know how Ford does things, but if your process is well documented and controlled new workers can produce just as good a quality. The biggest problem should be just how slow. I can put new wipers on a car - or whatever it is each person is doing, but someone with experience can do things much faster.

[-] Pseu@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

And if you rush them, then things go wrong in a hurry. It doesn't matter how much documentation you have if the operator skips steps or plain old makes a mistake.

I've personally blown up thousands of dollars in tooling making stupid mistakes when I was a junior machinist being told we had deadlines to meet. I've seen other guys forget to probe a work offset and crash the machine so badly it needs a spindle rebuild. A press operator can wreck a $100,000 die set if they make even relatively easy mistakes, and if that happens to the wrong tool, it can completely shut down production for months for a repair or rebuild.

If there's a 1 in a million chance that any of those 10,000 employees makes a big, showstopping mistake on a given day, then after 100 days, there's a 63% chance of that event happening.

[-] bluGill@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Correct, but not that the union people all has to learn things at some point. Ford has to train several hundred new people every year anyway.

[-] jennwiththesea@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

"Several hundred" is two orders of magnitude less than 10,000.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Workers are, after all, fungible

[-] jennwiththesea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Seriously, this sounds like pure negligence. These are multi-thousand pound killing machines. How many safety lawsuits will come out of this?

[-] nickwitha_k 1 points 1 year ago

If they do not equal or exceed profits, it's just the cost of doing business.

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