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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by v3rgl@lemmy.world to c/avelon@lemm.ee

#EDITED TO ADD CONTEXT:

The developer has responded quite a bit in the comments here, and has made adjustments to the free tier feature set based on my and others' feedback. See more info in this update thread: https://lemm.ee/post/12353243

If you're reading this post after update 1.0.7 I suggest you skim these comments and that update thread before forming an opinion.

#ORIGINAL POST:

I like this app a lot, I can tell there's been a ton of love and hard work put into it.

The strategy for monetization leaves a bit of a sour taste though.

For one, nobody wants another subscription - and $30 lifetime for a brand new app is a huge asking price compared to, say, Apollo, which was $5 or so (with a subscription tier for things that actually made sense to buy due to recurring cost).

But this app is paywalling basic stuff like a comment jump button (everyone else has this for free), content filtering, video scrubbing, and various other things that have no recurring cost to the developer.

My recommendation, take it or leave it, if you want my money make it a reasonable one time purchase for things that don't cost you money (under $10 imo, $5 would've been an easy sell).

If you want to justify a subscription model you are gonna need to build features that justify it - push notifications, stuff like that.

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[-] eatstorming@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry for the late response but I guess this situation is a good example of some of the points I'm going to address.

First, I am an avid Unix/Linux user and professional, having started using them in the early 90s as a kid. I basically grew amidst Linux going from a pet project to what we all see today, and the reason I'm bringing this up is to try and set aside any notion that I don't like Linux or any of its related projects. I do, I use Linux and related projects daily, both for personal and professional reasons.

But there are things I don't like about it. One of the biggest is the community behavior where someone (or a group) disagree with something, then the """solution""" most people default to is to split off and start a parallel project, that is very similar to the previous one and that maybe addresses the disagreement that spawned it in the first place.

The Federated network is just yet another example of this behavior. I understand how Twitter and Reddit drove many people out of their respective platforms and created the opportunity for a new thing, but I also see Mastodon and Lemmy doing the same thing dozens if not hundreds of Linux distros, Android versions, etc have and still do: they keep fragmenting things over and over and over.

There is the mindset that the niche is more important than the broader audience, there is very little focus on non-technical users and instances come and go like it doesn't matter if someone spends hours, days, weeks finding communities they enjoy, then all of a sudden they have to figure out a way to redo all that on a new instance because the previous one decided to shut down.

Lemmy is still only a tiny fraction of Reddit in terms of userbase and especially content. I browse these platforms for these reasons, not to brag about being "OG", or because a small community for some very specific niche migrated over. This ends limiting my time around here way more than I'd like. Lemmy just "runs out" of stuff I feel interested in much faster than Reddit does.

The second "big point" is more directly related to Avelon and the other apps for Lemmy.

I'd say that even though Avelon has been getting better and better, my "main" Lemmy app is still Memmy because it's the app that managed to put together the bigger number of features that I am particularly interested in - gestures navigation first, several tiny QoL bits later, such as reblurring NSFW content after opening it.

A lot of the apps have some of these features but lack many others. Avelon gets closer to Memmy for me, but the gestures always pull me back towards Memmy because I just don't like doomscrolling through anything and having to reach around the screen to do stuff.

All of the above said, these are the reasons why I don't feel inclined to paying for any Lemmy apps yet. No matter if it's a subscription or lifetime payment of any kind, none of the currently available apps are at a point where I feel like paying for something to access a platform that at any moment might fragment itself further and have even less content for me to access with said paid app(s).

I don't mean any offense or attack, especially on you. You seem interested in making Avelon better every update and I respect that. But even the "ancestral" history on Reddit and Apollo added to this position of mine. I was an early adopter of Apollo Pro and Ultra Lifetime, and even though I used that app for years, often hours daily, I suffered with many bugs that never got properly addressed. So I've learned the lesson of putting money on what I will get whenever the payment goes through, not the promise of future updates. And finally I think I can conclude my position: I'll consider either subscribing or getting lifetime whenever both Avelon and Lemmy are at a stage where I feel it's worth the money. Otherwise I'll keep an eye on both and hoping they get there.

this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
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