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Empowering you to choose a better internet where privacy is the default. Protect yourself online with Proton Mail, Proton VPN, Proton Calendar, Proton Drive. Proton Pass and SimpleLogin.
Proton Mail is the world's largest secure email provider. Swiss, end-to-end encrypted, private, and free.
Proton VPN is the world’s only open-source, publicly audited, unlimited and free VPN. Swiss-based, no-ads, and no-logs.
Proton Calendar is the world's first end-to-end encrypted calendar that allows you to keep your life private.
Proton Drive is a free end-to-end encrypted cloud storage that allows you to securely backup and share your files. It's open source, publicly audited, and Swiss-based.
Proton Pass Proton Pass is a free and open-source password manager which brings a higher level of security with rigorous end-to-end encryption of all data (including usernames, URLs, notes, and more) and email alias support.
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As a Mail Plus subscriber, this makes me angry because I have no way to even buy Proton Pass without paying for the full Unlimited Plan (which I don't need).
Probably my biggest complaint with Proton is how little they focus on their paying subscribers that bought in for the products that existed at the time. They've brought out 3 more apps before making the first 2 really great.
@Scrollone @stifle867 it doesn’t seem very professional or well run. Reminds me a little of Mozilla. Both focus on many thinks and do an average (to bad) job rather than doing fewer things with a focus on excellence.
Exactly. It does feel like they're losing their focus. It's especially noticeable when it comes to feature parity across devices and basic things that never get fixed.
I understand they probably have "different teams" working on the different products which a lot of companies use as a cover to say that the resources spent on the new projects don't "take away" from the old ones. We can see how that has turned out in the video game industry where they can pump out microtransactions on a broken game.
It's especially galling how they want money for the ability to store multiple logins through their app.
Just login through a mobile browser and it will store multiple logins AND has a better interface. WTF?
If I'm not wrong, logins are unlimited even if you're on the free plan?
The only added benefit of the paid plan is unlimited email aliases and MFA ( which most people use external apps).
Unless they have changed it since the last time I used the app, no. You have to log out and enter new login information for every account.
Even if they've changed it, unless the app interface has changed the mobile web is still leaps better.
I thought you meant saved logins and passwords, rather than the proton account login.
To the second point, the paid plan still doesn't allow multiple account logins on mobile app, sign out is still required. Are you referring to vault sharing through family plan as the feature?
Goddammit I'm going to have to draw a diagram, aren't I?
When you go to the proton.me login page, you are presented with all of your login names. You select the one you want to use, enter a password, and you're in. Of course you have to fucking sign out to switch to another one. THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
The problem is that the app does not save multiple login names unless you pay them for it. You have to log out, remove your login information, add the new information, then log back in. Every fucking time.
Or you can do what I said and use a mobile browser that just takes you to the regular login page that saves multiple logins.
Are you talking about Proton or Dashlane?
Nobody mentioned Dashlane in this thread so take a guess.
IMO, my biggest concern is sustainability for Proton.
Focusing on cool, new products over current products is probably going to be unsustainable in the long run. If it isn't economically sustainable, I fear they might give up on privacy-related features just to make some cash. (Just like Mozilla and Google)
Or worse, they might be forced to shut down some services, which is completely backwards and undesirable...