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Dwarf Fortress adds experimental multithreading support
(store.steampowered.com)
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Wow. That is a cool. My limited experience working with single-threaded game-stuff tells me it is exceptionally hard to port stuff that is written without threading in mind, to multi-threading. Getting the behavior to stay the same while still actually getting better performance requires some really deep insight into how stuff works in the program. On a (program-)global scale. Mad respect if it works out. This should make huge maps or huge fortresses possible.
I haven't yet played the steam version (it is on my todo-list though), but sank quite some hours into the "legacy" version. It can become laggy if you play on big maps with a lot of dwarfs/critters etc on it. I am excited to have even more stuff possible in this already very complex and huge game.
I'm really curious how they're doing it, too! I'm making a multithreaded simulation game and the parts that can't multithread well are related to AI / character logic / tasks and errands / pathfinding, and anything to do with rendering.
Yes, would be cool to get some technical overview on how they do it. Maybe a lengthy blog post or something.
Rendering can be multi-threaded if you do it grounds up and use a rendering API made for it such as Vulkan or DX12. I used Vulkan a bit and you can create command-buffers from threads, and assemble them into your queue then. So you could have one thread creating the command buffer to draw all static meshes, and another one doing it for the particle system. And there is the "Async Compute" that allows the GPU to do compute shader tasks while CPU is busy building draw commands etc. I don't know enough to tell you details as my own work with Vulkan is very basic. But the in-house engine at my workplace uses those techniques to multithread.
There are systems that can run in parallel to each other. The sound system often needs to be their own threads. Low priority tasks such as wayfinding for NPCs. They don't need to recalculate their paths in a tight loop every frame, they "interpolate" to the next waypoint in between.
Parallel stuff is so dang hard to get correct and actually gather speed. Kudos to you that you are doing that. May your data access never be a race condition. :)
Yeah in the future I've already decided I want to try creating IntBuffers and stuff on threads but I'll need to do a lot of testing to make sure it's actually faster across a wide range of hardware ๐
I wrote a little blog post about my latest work if you're curious!
Would you mind explaining to me why you would include "anything to do with rendering" in that list? I haven't tried myself at multithreading yet, but rendering was easy enough (in my limited experience) to completely decouple from the actual game state or game logic.
I'm simply curious, because I'm toying with the idea to utilize multithreading in my next project.
By "rendering" I mean when you interact with OpenGL, the GPU, etc - at least in my engine (lwjgl/libgdx), it's expected to be on the main thread. From what I understand too when you get into GPU land everything is already kinda-asynchronous on the driver side - it's only when you call
flush()
that it actually blocks your thread - which makes it difficult to profile some things.But I am still a newb at all of this! I'd love to hear your experiences!!