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When the Jewish peace groups sat in for a ceasefire in Washington, spokespeople for the ADL in effect denied their status as Jews and said antizionism is the same as antisemitism.
You can't enforce ethnic land claims without perpetual suppression of undesirables, and the completely predictable effects that will cause.
TBF, zionists resent even orthodox american Jews for having rejected the initial call on ideological grounds.
You can see it in modern discourse where American Jews that support Palestine are dismissed out of hand by Israelis and zionists as "just being stupid Americans"
Yeah there's always been this stuff but it just seems to have made it's way in to the official statements a lot more this time around, like there isn't that awareness of how most people perceive it that's been keeping things less weird in the past. I could see past responses to this being something like "Jews have differing opinions on the subject of Zionism but we all agree that protecting Jewish lives and securing a safe homeland for Jews is important." Now what used to be the extreme response is the mainstreamed one.
It's odd how often anti-zionism is equated with anti-Semitism. Zionism is the opposite of tolerance, and anti-Semitism is intolerance.
People seem to forget the Nazis were Zionists. They sent some of the Jewish population to Palestine. They also had plans of creating a Jewish state in Madagascar.
German had lost the ability to do either late in the war, when they took there hate to it final destination. People are right to be worried about what a state does to an oppressed class of people. Especially when said state wants those people gone and there is nowhere for them to go.
This bullshit. Hi bullshit, been a while - you still stink like you always did.
It’d be nice if you explained why it’s bullshit. Germany did plan to send the Jews to Madagascar there for a bit - so they could live in a german police state isolated on an island that might not have the resources to support all of them. People would die, Germany didn’t care, emigration was forced, and it certainly wasn’t meant to be the foundation of a Zionist state. It’d be a concentration camp on an island.
Exactly, concentration camp. Not some idyllic destination that the other bullshit artist is trying to sell.
Yeah, sorry I wasn’t trying to correct you. I skimmed the article first, and I missed the key point (concentration camp, not Zionist state). Figured I’d save some else the trouble.
The numbers never added up. You know, this is why I linked to a cited comment. The Nazis never planned for Jews to settle in Madagascar - it was just never a realistic or rational choice.
Oh yes, of course the Nazis. Historically recognized for their realistic, rational and congruent way of thinking.
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Looks like that comment is an accurate representation of the wikipedia page you shared so I fail to see where the bullshit is alleged to be.
Zionism is about an independent Jewish state, not a German police-state/penal colony. To say Nazi Germany was Zionist shows a lack of understanding of either the Nazis, Zionism or both.
It looks like the comment I'm responding to is imprecise and only directly quoting the accuracies rather than the inaccuracies. Basically the Nazis and Zionist Congress overlapped on the territories explored to be a "home" for the Jews, with obviously different intentions. So the inaccuracy here would be the conflation of the two on ideological grounds, but not necessarily on the logistical matters.
Where the conflation may not apply, is from the turn of the century to the rise of the Third Reich, did anti-Semites support the idea of Jews relocating elsewhere by their own volition, since (in their minds) it would have been a mutually beneficial arrangement? Debatably none of the major powers were friendly towards Jews (Bolsheviks at least disavowed antisemitism in an official capacity) at the time, hence a motivating factor for why the WZO was created.
It's only accurate if you ignore the reporting by Poland.
Was that the conference that happened on September 10th, 2001?