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Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
(www.reuters.com)
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I don't see a problem here. I trust their numbers. They have released lists with all the people killed by Israel before and parts of those lists were confirmed by relatives living abroad. "Hamas-run X,Y,Z" is just a cheap way of trying to delegitimize palestinian deaths.
Like the 500 dead in the self inflicted hospital parking lot? Come on.
Hamas is a motivated and non-credible source for details.
Hamas never made that claim.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side.
There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.
On the night of the explosion, the Hamas-run Gazan health ministry put the toll at 500 or more dead, which it later changed to “hundreds.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-explained.html#:~:text=Hamas%2C%20which%20controls%20Gaza%2C%20blamed,shown%20by%20my%20Defense%20Department.”
Yeah that's the "western media just running with it" part. It really was a mis-translation by al jazeera, the guy said "casualties". As in wounded or killed. It was way too early to actually have an accurate assessment (as should be obvious by the round number).
I'll repeat it here since you seem like you missed reading it.
Then like a dipshit you post me a link to a story by a western media outlet...
seriously..
A journalist for the Atlantic, New York magazine, Wired, and other outlets did a write up about it.
https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote
You can literally watch the video and translate it online.
Broski- you are trusting one guy over a credible news organization. And you cite “silent lunch”.
Isnt this scraping the bottom?? Do you have any credible sources?
Please explain what you think the following means? "A journalist for the Atlantic, New York magazine, Wired, and other outlets"
Never heard of substack either apparently. /smh
Broski- If you were SO sure it was bs why didn't you go to the video from al-jazeera and run his interview through a translator? You can do this all yourself, DON'T take my word or the word of the journalist reporting it...
do it for yourself before you look like more of a dumbass.
We all know you won't because it goes against your narrative and you would rather believe a lie that reaffirms your biases and bigotry.
Having read the supplied article, the author has no information except that kills might be mistranslated. Not to get into the weeds, but it doesn’t dispute the source, nor does it offer more credible information.
And as a rule of thumb- a single dude publishing a substack doesn’t deserve more credibility than a long time news source. Not that the article supplies and information that might be argued- the whole point is that he didn’t get any information.
Called it.
Not sure what you mean?
I read the article and it didn’t say what you said it says.
You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to read and understand words multiple times in just this comment thread.
And continued to do it here once again.
You can’t articulate your argument. That’s on you, bud.
I have multiple times had to have the EXACT words from a prior comment quoted for you to potentially comprehend anything. I'm calling into question your ability to asses that article whatsoever as you have demonstrated your lack of ability over and over. That’s on you, bud.
Kindly piss off of you can't follow along.
Don’t be an ass. Your claim was I was spreading misinformation because hamas never said that 500 people died, and was a product of western media. This isn’t what your article argues, rather that dead might have been mistranslated from injured. The core thrust of my argument remains the same- data supplied by Hamas is suspect, at best.
Again, if you’re able, explain your argument.
Try to re-read.
It might come to you.
You have all the tools needed to solve this issue.
A loss for words is still a loss.
It’s a shame, really. Not that the herd here will care- but I have always been a liberal. For 20 years I’ve voted democratic and pushed for understanding. But things are changing- have changed. We’ve polarized to the point of absurdism, arguing that one atrocity is ok and the other is not solely on the parties involved. We’ve bathed so much in the incestuous pond of cable media and internet misinformation that anything that isn’t exactly “party line” is dismissed and derided.
Currently, the line is perceived power is ultimate evil- that everyone with it is by definition a victimizer everyone without is by definition a victim. In this paradigm, the Jews, ironically, are the colonialists and can do no good, while Hamas can do no wrong. Reality is rarely so black and white.
This is no justification of Netanyahu administration. But equivocating here is wrong. Hamas started the war with capturing, raping, and murdering innocents, and wants to avoid repercussions by hiding behind their own civilians. We should be able to denounce evil where it lies- with those who caused the war. Want to end the war? Call for Hamas to surrender.
TLDR. You would make a lousy journalist and seem prone to leaning on an appeal to authority. You still have the ability to check yourself.