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Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
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Charging infrastructure is still pretty shit compared to refueling a gas car as well.
Yes and no.
The EV refueling infrastructure while on the road is kinda shit.
The home refueling infrastructure for gasoline cars is really, really shit.
And so if you aren't a home owner then the ev refuling is shit.
Maybe right now but that isn't a difficult problem to solve considering all homes have electricity readily available.
And how'd you go about it if you're in an apartment? Lower a few extenders from your window?
Believe it or not, the electricity also runs outside under the ground.
Yeah mate just get a pickaxe, look for the 'Buried Wires' sign, and have at it.
What's the landlord gonna do? It ain't even his wires.
It's an expensive problem to solve. Charging stations aren't cheap nor is getting an electrician to come out and run wiring and panels for a hundred cars even if it's just 120 then it eill take 8-12 hours for each car to charge.
I've lived in some places that have giant parking lots for the cars which means they have to dig it up to run wiring and create stations at each spot. That can reduce the amount of cars that can be parked which in some places would benillegal
Slow charging speeds at home/work are fine, nobody is burning 100% of their range daily on their commute. The people with 200 mile daily commutes are not buying EVs
I've spent time in the Midwest and most residential parking lots already have outlets all over the place for block hearers in the winter. If a tiny apartment complex in North Dakota can do it, so can everyone else.
No one said they couldn't do it. It's just that it isn't done..so what happens when you buy an ev and move some where woth no charging ? I am in north jersey and I haven't see a complex here condo or apartment that has outlets anywhere in the parking lot
Even still , unless they are 240v welcome to 2-3 miles per hour charging rate on a ev. Hope you don't plan on traveling far.
It's not that it isn't done, it's that EVs have only been on the scene for a few years and infrastructure hasn't caught up yet. The state of things today doesn't represent how things have always been in the past or will be in the future. When gasoline cars first came out, we didn't have gas stations on every corner either, but the folks living in 1910 managed to figure things out. I think we can do the same.
Except no one set an insane time limit of when everyone had to switch over from horses to gasoline cars. So infrastructure was bale to grow out along the slow pace of car purchases. But since the 1980s the amount of cars per family have sky rocketed and switching from gasoline to electric isn't something that will happen in a decade
Renters can have home charging, too. Just need an outlet.
For 2-3 miles of range an hour ? https://www.tesla.com/support/charging
Also not all renters have access to sockets. The last complex I rented at years ago had zero outlets in thier parking lot.
A 240v 40A dryer outlet delivers 30mph which is more than plenty for home charging
Which you'd have to lay to run a line. Having to run dozens or hundreds of them fir an apartment complex requires a lot if money
And if you’re in a European city without off-road parking, at-home refuelling for EVs is shit too.
I love these crazy comparisons you people make. Nobody gives a fuck if they have to stop 2 minutes to refuel. 5 minutes if there is a line. Nobody wants to take an hour long wait for a charge port.
It's like none of you have ever traveled for the holidays.
Yeah, but that totally makes sense if no one is buying. It's just, that no one is buying, because automakers aren't really interested in EVs, since gas powered have bigger margins, meaning initial manufacturing cost is lower, so they can jack the prices. When they do it with EVs it's getting very ridiculous very fast.
Maybe in your country, here the majority of sold cars are electric. And the charging network is great. (Switzerland)
Yeah, I'm from Germany. So we are big petrol heads over here ...
Also, my point was about pricing, is that different in Switzerland? I would doubt that.
Well, the majority of Swiss people drives overpriced SUVs anyway.. so I guess the margins are pretty good And people here see the saving potential if you use less than 0.35 CHF/kWh 🔋 power compared the often more than 2.0 CHF/L ⛽️ power 1L of ⛽️ has about 10kWh but energy going to the street is way less compared to EV
Source: https://www.econologie.de/Energie-enthalten-in-Liter-Kraftstoff-Diesel-oder-Benzin/
Right. Thanks for sharing.
I hate the SUV trend as a whole, but especially in EVs it's just so non-sensical. Trying to build more resourceconsious vehicles, but at the same time building them twice as big and heavy as they need to be, while trying to achieve range ...