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How about take an adult version of that and support actions that stop the blowing up of kids in the long run? I.e. the destruction of a terrorist organization.
Ah, the Libertarian position.
In the long run that would be probably a good idea, but in the short run that would create power vacuums all over the globe that would probably be filled with all kinds of fucked up people.
How about understanding that more killing doesn't bring the "destruction of a terrorist organization" - it brings more terrorism.
That doesn't always hold true. For instance, the number of nazis was brought down very significantly around the end of WW2. Even though there's been some resurgence, the number of them is still pretty low compared to peak.
When the terrorists are armed with US weapons and blow up Tel Aviv we will talk then. When doctors and the nurses and Americans are blown up by Hamas in Israel we will talk then as they level Synagogues and hospitals and the fleeing refugees. Israel has lost all their moral support at this point, took a tragedy, and highlighted their history and evil racist beliefs and supremacy as the "chosen people" not unlike the "master race" before them.
I'm sorry I wasn't aware that Hamas is using infants?
No, but the did kill a lot of them intentionally and have stated their goal is to do so again and again until all the Jews are dead.
You know, Israel could single handedly dismantle Hamas non violently by accepting a two state solution where the two sides work together for mutual benefit.
Just saying, hamas has whatever support it has purely as a resistance movement against Israel for their apartheid regime. Their support would fizzle away if Israel were to do the right thing and try to actually improve the material well-being of the Palestinian population and give them the freedom and state they've wanted.
The problem is, right now what Israel is doing is only going to hurt them in the long run, not help them. The ideology of Hamas is that, an ideology. You can't kill an idea with bombs, that only makes it stronger. And Israel is only digging their own grave by constantly killing civilians at this level, because every Middle Eastern Nation around will never try to work with them again and probably start warring with Israel again, and I'm sorry but Israel isn't gonna survive that. They were so close to finally getting some sort of peace agreement with Saudi Arabia, and now that's nothing but a pipe dream again.
Weren't they on the cusp of a two state solution before Arafat pulled out?
Yea.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207243717/23-years-ago-israelis-and-palestinians-were-talking-about-a-two-state-solution
Arafat's negotiators on the Palestinian side were serious about wanting a two state solution and wanted to come up with a deal with the Israelis, but something stopped Arafat from going through with it. He told clinton he didn't want to give up Jerusalem as it's a holy site to muslims (it is for Jews and Christians too, so ngl I don't think anyone wants to not have Jerusalem. But that's Arafat, not all Palestinians. Yes that was their leader, but yk not every leader has unanimous support from the people.
Holy shit, so Arafat alone basically blew the best chance we had.
Jerusalem should just be made a UN protectorate or independent third city-state at this point as part of a two-state solution (like the Vatican).
And yeah, I know everyone will hate that idea, but hey, at least then everyone will hate the idea.
That's news to Hamas.
No, until Israel goes away. Israel != Jews.
It's ironic there's a commentary right above you arguing that Israel could get Peace by simply offering a two-state solution we're both States exist.
At this point if Israel goes away it be genocide. There's whole generations of people that were born and raised in Israel. There's really nowhere for those people to flee to where they'd be safe other than maybe the US.
The country is not the people. Saying you want the country gone is entirely different.
Without the country who will protect the people who live there?
Whatever government is put in place after. Exactly the same as every other post colonial region.
Specifically who?