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And when it’s genocide vs genocide it’s complicated
You want to fucking "both sides" this, really? If Biden and the US government were arming Hamas while they attacked Israeli citizens, I would be just as upset as would you. But here you are defending him while ten of thousands of Palestinians are dead or dying. Stop pretending like you care.
You understand Israel didn't just do this out of the blue right? They are reacting to a 9/11 caliber event by groups that want to exterminate them. I'm not saying either side is right in their methods, I'm saying it's extremely complicated. Proxy war always is. They need to react enough to discourage Hamas or other Islamic groups from doing anything like this again, but their margins are extremely thin and it's arguable that they overreact. Again, Complicated.
Ignore my other comment and read this persons whose comment is fantastic
https://kbin.social/m/asklemmy@lemmy.world/t/618414/-/comment/3504087
I agree beginning of the comment, conflict is bad for both Palestinians and Israeli citizens. And it increasing bigotry towards Muslims and Jews worldwide.
I re-read the comment twice and I believe it fails when it gets into blaming the Palestinian people, like they chose to have no control of their food, water, borders, ports, electricity, or even their military.
I'm not sure where you are from. But in America, they teach us to blame voters whenever shit goes bad. But at the same time our divided media propagandizes us with narratives that always protect the most powerful. Israeli leadership is the most powerful in that region and this comment you linked unsurprisingly has no criticism for them? I am done blaming people, even if they believe the shit propaganda fed to them. Leaders are always to blame.
That region can never heal until it's rotten leadership is gone and there's new leaders that actually want to build a peaceful future.
Again, it’s complicated. Biden going on TV and blaming someone like his predecessor did is a terrible idea. Handling it through private channels is the way to go.
It anyway, the idea that there can be peace in the region at all is questionable. Separate groups of people all feel entitled to the land and the Israelis have already gone through the holocaust, and of those aligned with Hamas have their way they’d go through another. They aren’t going to let it go, and they aren’t going allow Hamas to try it again. There isn’t much more to say. The innocent people in Gaza and Israel suffer like regular citizens always do in war.