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They're actually holding your friends and family hostage, make plans to get them to safety.
That's, uh, a little bit hyperbolic.
Not really, like, you can't communicate with your family. In my case, i live in Germany, but my family lives in Brazil. It's the only thing keeping me on Facebook, until now.
Thank God my family switched to WhatsApp for all family stuff. Since there are also family members in Colombia & USA, we have to keep a fixed online place, so we can communicate quickly.
WhatsApp is owned, by meta, just like Instagram. So it is rather when and not if we'll start seeing ads everywhere.
Yes, really. Your family can find any number of other ways to communicate. Facebook does not have a monopoly on international communication.
I know, but the problem is to convince everyone to use something different. 70, 60, 50 ,40, 30 year olds ( i think anyone up to 30 is much more open and used to deal with software ) a plenty, living in different countries.
I really tried.
That's not Facebook's fault. You can't say that a service is holding people hostage when the actual situation is that those people aren't interested in trying other services.
It may not be fb's fault directly, but they hold the keys to an enormous resource which should be properly regulated. Telling op to just make the choice ignores the structural issue at hand. It's a bit like saying if you don't like all the problems of your country, just emigrate. That's everyone's choice, but it isn't practical as a general solution. Emigrating in a digital sense is far easier, but do we wait for these common goods to be enshittificated and reinvented or can we skip some suffering and seize control already.
Lol my guy, I have actually completed an emigration process. Comparing it to finding a different free communication service is fucking bonkers. Facebook doesn't hold the keys to anything. If the users leave, they have nothing. Finding a replacement is practical and its not anything like emigrating to another country, holy shit.
My brother in Christ, finding a different service isn't the difficultly. It's moving everyone else. Fb holds the keys to a network of literally billions of ppl, which for many is the only feasible way of keeping in contact with their loved ones. Yes if everyone just left the enshittificated network suddenly and all went to the same place.. but you need incentives, alternatives and coordination. "if everyone would just.." could solve a lot of problems, but we need to find realistic pathways to get there. Also your tone sucks, maybe open a window and let some fresh air in. I'll do the same.
I will direct you to the point at which you entered this convo.
It is asinine to blame Facebook for checks notes your cousin's tech illiteracy.
Are you uncomfortable with metaphors or what?
How would you describe this?
I don't know, maybe silly? Why do you have an account that you do not want?
LOL that is the fault of your family, not Meta
Is it? You have to pay or give up all of your rights to stay in contact with your friends and family. What would you call it? Glad to see pro-facebook people here on lemmy, there's dozens of you.
You're making it sound line Zuckerberg has your family locked in a basement. If that's the case, maybe you should go to the police, rather than complain about it on Lemmy.
On a more serious note: if you're one of the family members that is "only" reachable on meta, you're part of the problem. If you want to be part of the solution, tell people where else they can reach you, then delete Facebook.
So, just excommunicate everyone who won't go through the trouble of emigrating elsewhere. This is practical to you?
What is practical is that they don't need to "emigrate". They can stay on Facebook for all I care. But if they want to stay in touch, they just have to add me in 1 out of several apps.
Like I said, you can stay on Facebook and be part of the problem, or you can leave and be part of the solution. The more people who do it, the easier it will be be for the remainders.
Lol for the record pal, Facebook can get fucked. I haven't used it in years. Maybe don't assume someone's stance just because they said you were being hyperbolic - which you're still being.
I'm just glad they didn't use the term Literally.
"actually" serves the same purpose in their sentence.
Damnit, you're right.