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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Trump, the one wanting to ban Muslims, is the genocidal maniac, right? Because Biden supporting Israel is shitty, but recently he has been putting pressure for a cease-fire. I'll take the old fart that adapts rather than the old fart who wants to shove the nation up his asshole and clench.

[-] donuts@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hold up. Let's be 100% real about the situation in Gaza for a minute: it takes both parties to arrange a ceasefire.

Those parties of course being the Israeli government (still regrettably under the impotent-feeling, "security"-focused war monger Netanyahu, by the way) and Hamas (a group that was founded on antisemitic genocide, who recently waged the largest mass killing of innocent Jews since the Holocaust, who still holds somewhere upwards of 400 innocent hostages somewhere in Gaza, and who have themselves rejected the idea of a peaceful solution to the current situation).

That's right--both the Netanyahu administration and Hamas represent one-time democratically elected but largely corrupt regimes who ran on their extreme and staunchly militant approaches to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They both did things to prop each other up and to push the region towards militant extremism. They both wanted a fight, and it's not really a surprise that a fight is exactly what we've ended up with.

As America is a key ally to Israel, obviously the Biden administration has a lot of potential (though not infinite, as we've seen time and again) to pressure the Netanyahu admin. But they certainly don't have enough sway to get Israel to give up their counter-assault on Hamas, and especially to take back the hundreds of civilian hostages who are being held in Gaza. Furthermore, the countries that have sway over Hamas (like Iran, Russia to name two big ones) have made no attempt to get Hamas to back down, and in fact all signs show that they have been helping Hamas and cheering them on.

Kushner-esque naivety and ignorance aside, there is no push-button solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict today and there never has been. They are clearly further from peace than they have been for decades, and neither side is willing or ready to back down. A ceasefire is not on the cards, and it won't be until Israel and Hamas come to some kind of agreement.

The people who understand this simple and sad truth are just being realistic. People want to complain about Biden, but at the same time why is nobody acknowledging that his position on this is currently no different than that of Bernie Sanders? Are people going to sit here with a straight face and call Bernie a "genocidal maniac" too?

Almost mobody likes what they're seeing in Gaza (other than Putin and Iran), but anybody who says that there's a American-oriented, simple, unilateral, turn-key solution to stopping the violence is just plainly talking out of their ass.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

All I'm saying is pressure from your sugar daddy helps.

[-] donuts@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Sure, it helps on one side of the equation, but on the Hamas side their sugar daddies are seemingly only pressuring them to go further do more.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its because they're fifty years into trading eyes for eyes. Nothing will be good at this point.

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the nuance I came to this site for, thank you.

this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2023
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