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[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago
  1. We've already explained that your claim that workers owning tools = nobody works = starvation is pure mysticism. When pressed for why, you said people would work less automatically, which is wrong, especially considering co-operative farming has worked for as long as humanity has existed, and continues to do so. Additionally, you claimed they would be less stable, which was also proven false with my example of Worker co-operatives.

  2. I'm not asking for the Soviet Union, you keep pushing that in there as though it's the only way, and pretend that every problem the Soviet Union had must be repeated if Workers share tools. Its an utter fallacy.

  3. Workers cannot consent to Capitalism, it exists regardless. That's like saying peasants consented to Feudalism.

The very fact that you deliberately refused to answer why Factory 1, with the Capitalist ownership, was better than Factory 2 with democratic ownership, and instead dodged, proves me exactly correct: you have nothing to stand on and merely reflexively reject everything I say. You're no different from a Monarchist during the French Revolution saying that workers wouldn't have the ability to choose to be a serf under Capitalism.

Please, explain exactly why the democratically run factory is worse than the undemocratically run factory. If you're going to continue to lie about what I'm saying and make absurd mystical claims, then I suppose I expected too much from an internet stranger.

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