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As according to pro-Russia trolls here on Lemmy, Ukraine is losing the war, I wonder how much damage they would do to the Russian fleet, if they were actually winning
Not trying to defend Russia, but the concept of a Pyrrhic Victory has existed for quite some time.
Yeah and it’s been Russian military strategy for nearly as long. Idk if Russia will win, but as it is now both countries will struggle under the weight of the loss of population and resources and immense debt that they’re incurring. For Ukraine it’s obviously worth it, but for Russia, I struggle to see how it’s worth it because even victory will come with an angry edge province and political instability.
You are correct in my opinion. It seems whoever orchestrated that thought it would be the second Crimea, forgot Ukraine had 8 years to prepare (even with a shared soviet corruption problems and cheap traitors) and completely ignored the historical case of their resistance in and post WW2. One magazine even published a postponned article summarizing the achievements of russian warriors, and there were public persons speculating about taking Kiyv in three days. Even if you ignore them normalizing of such an act at all, they were sniffing their farts while planning it and thinking it'd go alright.
Mostly because I think Russian high command was telling Putin whatever he wanted to hear. "Yeah boss, sure, we'll just steamroll into Kyiv, nobody will dare fight back against us..." Keep in mind Russia had tried this EXACT same "rush and decapitate" strategy in Georgia in 2008.
Ukraine has oil reserves that Russia has eyes on. There's the solution to your equation.
Victory would mean Russia has killed most of the Ukrainians who would fight back.
Dunno, it looks like Russia is LOSING BADLY
Nope Russia bad! Ukraine needs money.
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You're defending America's long time enemy because you've consumed their propaganda. You're not an American patriot, you're a Russian simp.
Have you ever considered Ukraine is a sunk cost?
Lol check the ruble's value over time. Feel free to get back to me if you have any data or rationality to back up your room temp IQ argument.
I'm going to assume your answer to my question is "no", you have not considered Ukraine is a sunk cost.
Tell me you're a victim of propaganda without telling me you're a victim of propaganda.
You seem to have forgot all the data to support your argument. I'll respond to your latest unsubstantiated bullshit, but this is the last time:
The propaganda I consume pushes me to defend America, its allies, and civilian lives.
The propaganda you consume has you fighting for America's cold war enemy. The one that has been sowing discord for decades. You're not a patriot. You're just a useful idiot for genocidal Russia that can't even win a war they started against a country 1/10th of their size.
Why do I need data to know you're a victim of propaganda?
You haven't even considered Ukraine might be a sunk cost. That alone makes you an irrational person.
You have an irrational belief that you must be correct. How original.
Try looking up the Dunning Kruger effect sometime.
I'm not the one with an irrational belief.
I've considered Ukraine could be a sunk cost. Did you also think they were going to take back Crimea?