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Hope the young people will enjoy having Trump as their dictator. Maybe they’ll be just dumb enough to not notice him doing anything differently on the subject.
Be complicit in genocide or you'll end up complicit in genocide. We deserve to fail as a nation if those are our choices.
Trust me. One is WAY worse than the other. I hope you can learn the truth of this before you make a big mistake.
I've spent my whole voting life watching things only get shittier and shittier voting for the lesser evil. I stand by my claim that we deserve to collapse as a nation at this point.
You'll tell me thats a crap attitude, and it is. But I will tell you that no matter how you vote, the tipping point where it breaks into unsalvageable violence is getting closer and you better be ready for it. History shows us it always ends in violence when an empire hits this stage.
How is Biden worse than Trump? If anything trump was even more pro-Israel.
Some people out there see him as the anti-war candidate since he didn't start any new wars in his first term. The bar is so pathetically low on candidates and warmongering
But they said voting for the lesser evil has only made things worse. Isn't Biden an improvement?
Lesser Evil, Greater Evil, all still evil.
It's like saying it's okay to take one step back because it could've been two.
I'm just having trouble understanding how it's a step back. Isn't it a step forward from where we were?
Like we got public infrastructure investments, money for renewable energy, funding for high speed rail. We wouldn't have any of those things if trump had won another term. It seems more like a little geriatric step forward than a step back.
Drink a little piss, or eat a LOT of shit. Take your pick, because doing nothing doesn’t entitle you to skip this buffet.
Tell me you're in your teens or early 20s without actually saying it.
Begging for the beneficence of someone who has spent the last 6 decades pissing on us and being happy it's not worse is pathetic.
Don't worry. I'll "vote blue" like a good boy. But we rot as a country either way. It changes nothing except how long before the tipping point.
That's not to say we can't save our communities. Look inward. Local mutual aid and organization is going to mean more than ever. Just don't expect help from the corporate parties.
ROFL. I’m 51.
And I’ve lived long enough to know that we live within the grey area that exists between the polarized black and white everyone wants to see nowadays. I’ve also lived long enough to learn there’s nuance to EVERYTHING. And stubbornly crying about how an elected official’s stance on policies abroad is wrong- while ignoring the bigger picture at home- is a potentially catastrophic and downright dangerously ignorant line of thinking.
But you do you.
Were can be done with this discussion now. The fact that you’ve made knee-jerk assumptions without knowing a single thing about me speaks volumes on how much of a waste of time this discussion has been, and will be.
Enjoy your evening and move along.
There really isn't much nuance or gray area when it comes to genocide.
The United States' Biden Administration is currently funding and supporting a genocide in Gaza. That is unforgivable.
Trump would be even worse than Biden. But there are enough people in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona who are going to be turned off by this (and by inflation, etc) that it won't matter.
The Democratic Party is fully to blame for this result, no American voter is culpable for what happens in November.
The 2024 election should be a slam dunk for any Non-Republican Party. The Democrats' political incompetence is solely to blame for any loss - and that incompetence is reaching a point where it is hard to believe that they are accidentally this stupid. All of this is going to support the "Monoparty" and other conspiracy theories, which are looking less and less like mere theories
Genocide from Trump comes with an extra helping of military enforced dictatorship and corruption, with a side order of LGBTQ+ oppression and racism…
But don’t let this get in the way of your bOtH siDeS’ism.
That isn't a convincing argument. It also isn't even responsive to what I said.
If you're trying to persuade people then that argument won't do it
But a candidate can lose many votes over one issue. And Biden willingly supporting the genocide of the Palestinian is bad enough to cost him the election. We have already proved as voters that we'll let trump win. It can happen again.
Okay. So, both support the genocide, but one will remove body autonomy from women, remove lgbtq+ rights, gut funding to education, and run the government like a dictatorship with the military threatening civilians.
Decide.
Maybe Biden should decide NOT to do some shitty things thatll cost him votes. It works both ways.
It only works both ways for people too stubbornly stupid to understand that they’re NOT the same thing.
If Biden loses for the stupid shit he does then good. Maybe democrats should stop trying to straddle the middle and fucking things up by not listening to their base. I dont think our country will be destroyed by him losing, even if it ends up being another four years of trump. Yeah it'll suck, but things can get better and showing their voters they wont stand behind him just because he has a capital D next to his name might be an eye opener. Or at least it should be.
lol…. We’re doomed.
I feel like, for many, the choice isn't voting for Trump if they're disillusioned with Biden, but just not voting for Biden. I'm aware the result of inaction is likely the same as voting for Trump, but cognitively it's easier to stomach.
Did you forget Trumps handling of Israel? He would support the genocide even more. THEY NAMED A SETTLEMENT AFTER TRUMP. If you still think he will be better for palestinians than Biden you are crazy