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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by raoulraoul@midwest.social to c/politics@lemmy.world

The language of the linked article by Mr Barrington Salmon may seem to veer into conspiracy territory at times…if it wasn't so well-documented. At the risk of "yelling into a echo chamber"…

“The actions of liberal politicians in Washington have created a desperate need and unique opportunity for conservatives to start undoing the damage the Left has wrought and build a better country for all Americans in 2025,” the Project 2025 manifesto said. “It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on day one of the next conservative administration.”

Meyerson, editor-at-large at The American Prospect, said far-right conservatives and The Heritage Foundation have an extensive enemies’ list that includes “welfare recipients, lazy and liberal civil servants, anti-business regulators, environmentalists, and union bosses, “scientists, woke bureaucrats, woke educators, woke diplomats, woke generals and admirals, woke G-men, and anyone who doesn’t indulge the next Republican president’s every whim (an adaptation to the likelihood of a Trump nomination),” in the commentary titled, “The Far Right Has a Plan to Remake America. They Even Wrote It Down.”

America is at an inflection point, vacillating on a knife’s edge because of Trump, who has tapped into a deep reservoir of grievance, hatred and resentment plans that will be fully unleashed in a second term. Trump’s incendiary rhetoric – mirroring Hitler and Mussolini – is convincing observers that he’s a fascist, to add to his authoritarian bent.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago
[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

France was a fucking disaster for a long time after their rebellion. Decades. People were worse off for a long time and the country was in disarray. It was a huge societal collapse that caused a huge amount of damage to pretty much everyone in society.

If you think France simply tore down their existing government and then things were great after, you're mistaken.

There's a reason the Reign of Terror isn't called the Reign of Sunshine and Rainbows.

It was only a long, long time later that France was able to look back on their revolution and think "that was horrific but probably for the best", and IMO that's only because they were lucky that Napoleon came along and was a fairly competent dictator who stopped France from collapsing/being invaded. Without his dictatorship, France would've been destroyed by neighbours taking advantage of their weakened state.

Is that something you want? Decades of war, death, and turmoil, then life under a tyrant? It's probably easier and a lot less unpleasant to get people that aren't total twats involved in politics.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I'm not arguing that what France did was a idea we should recommend. Just that it's possible.

But also, if you don't think the current state of things is a fucking disaster, I'm not sure what to say.

So if we have to pick between it's really slow disaster, and are really fast disaster.... Well, there are options at least.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There's the current state of things is a disaster, and then there's post-revolutionary France disaster. I think you're vastly underestimating just how bad it was.

We're talking everyone being poorer, several wars, people dying from lack of food, death squads, extreme nationalism, lawlessness, a collapse of the scientific community, and other nations looming, wanting to invade.

If your country did what the French did, you certainly wouldn't want to be there for the rest of your lifetime. But maybe it'd be a better place for your grandkids. Or maybe not.

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