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[-] art@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Not sure who you think The Left™ is but we're mostly angry about him supporting genocide. I guess because he did so those good things we should just ignore that?

[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I never really got informed on the whole situation. Do you have a good snyopsys of it?

[-] abuttandahalf@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Israel indiscriminately bombed 80% of homes in Gaza as well as hospitals and schools where people were seeking refuge, killing upwards of 24,000 people, 12,000 of which were children. The casualties used to be counted by the hospitals but after Israel bombed and destroyed many of them and put the others out of order, there is no mechanism for the casualties to be counted, so hundreds are dying and no one is able to keep track. The official numbers were based off the bodies that reached the hospitals so they are missing all of those who couldn't be recovered from under the rubble, which are a large number because people recovering victims are doing it barehanded with no tools or vehicles. Israel cut off water, food, and medical aid from reaching Gaza. People have died from starvation, illness, and are being forced to ration water 2 liters a person per day for bathing, drinking, and washing meaning there is risk of death from dehydration.

The United States provided Israel with unlimited bombs in order to conduct this genocide. The US also provided direct military support by stationing its aircraft carrier near gaza in the Mediterranean in order to ward off any intervention against the genocide. Joe Biden bypassed congress in order to provide Israel the weapons and funding, not to mislead you that congress would have done anything differently, the entire United States government is genocidal.

[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Is there any back and forth or has it been one sided?

[-] abuttandahalf@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Inside the Gaza strip Hamas's Al Qassam brigade has been engaging the invading Israeli military with small arms, mortars, and rocket launchers. The numbers of Israeli military casualties are not known because Israel censors them. Early on in the genocide Hamas offered to release its prisoners in exchange for a permanent ceasefire but Israel refused. Israel opted to continue its genocide, recovering none of its prisoners. In fact the Israeli military killed 5 of their own hostages. 3 were shot while waving a white flag in the street. 2 were killed in airstrikes.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Additionally, the initial civilian casualties on the Israeli side were also largely self-inflicted due to their indiscriminate use of force:

https://popularresistance.org/how-israeli-forces-trapped-and-killed-ravers-at-the-nova-festival/

A major reason Hamas launched the Al-Aqsa Flood operation was to take Israeli captives that could be exchanged for the thousands of Palestinians held captive in Israeli prisons. But Israeli forces were determined to prevent Hamas from taking captives back to Gaza, even if this meant killing the captured civilians.

An investigation of Israel’s long-controversial Hannibal Directive concludes that “from the point of view of the army, a dead soldier is better than a captive soldier who himself suffers and forces the state to release thousands of captives in order to obtain his release.”

[-] abuttandahalf@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Yes, Israeli eye witness testimonies point to the Israeli military shelling homes in the be'eri settlement with tank fire, firing onto festival goers from helicopters, and shooting at Al Qassam operators with Israeli civilians in the way. Israel confirmed that 200 of the 400 burnt bodies found were not israeli, meaning that israel bombed both Al Qassam operators and 200 of their own civilians during the operation, killing them and burning their bodies.

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