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Ukrainian foreign minister Kuleba to Western countries: "We offer you the best deal: you don't sacrifice your soldiers, give us weapons and money, and we will finish the job." (twitter.com)

submitted 11 months ago by Hooverx@lemm.ee to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

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[-] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago

Ukraine isn't fighting "crush Russia" or "consolidate power," they are fighting to exist as a nation. They are fighting to not be part of Russia, and if you claim Russia doesn't consolidate wealth into a small few while sacrificing their poor as cannon fodder, you're unabashedly lying.

Now, do Western nations take advantage of this to severely weaken with no personal loss of life or territory? Absolutely. But just because it benefits the West doesn't mean it doesn't also benefit Ukraine.

[+] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -34 points 11 months ago

They are hopped up on nationalism, which is encouraged by the Western warmongers for their own benefit.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

You’re right they should just let Russia roll in, murder their population and take their land. #Diplomacy

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Russia wouldn't be rolling in if NATO didn't decide to turn Ukraine into the world's most Nazified hand-puppet. Y'know, to encircle and exterminate Russia, in direct breach of the Minsk Accords.

tl;dr Occupied Turtle Island being the same oathbreaking settler trash they've been for the last 400 years started this. It could be ended just as easy; but oathbreaking settler trash can't abide that!

[-] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

What part of which Minsk accords were violated by who? A "direct violation" should be easy to cite. The text of either accord is short as well.

Also, NATO did not sign the accords so already your claim is weird.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

All 12 original points of Minsk 1, all 5 points of the followup, and all 13 points of Minsk 2 by Ukraine's ongoing genocide of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts and the receipt(and usage) of NATO materiel. NATO is implicated despite not being a signatory due to being involved in the flouting by way of providing aid and comfort to the government that couped Poroshenko on Occupied Turtle Island's command, delivering them materiel and troops, and by all rights encouraging the ongoing meat-grindering of the region.

Understand that I will not be arguing with the kinds of people that John Brown would have shot; a number in which I count you, given your cheerleading the murder of one set of Nazi-infiltrated sovereign citizens to attempt and fail to destroy another sovereign nation on behalf of Anglo-American slavemasters.