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[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I think there are a sizable number of Nimarata’s supporters who won’t vote for Trump.

Republicans who can actually do math, are more concerned with economic issues, actually support the military and haven’t fully bought into their social agenda I.E. Fiscal Conservatives and Defense Hawks have no place in Trumps party. There were a lot of retirements this year by people on this side of the Republican spectrum like Mitt Romney. They don’t want anything to do with Trump and his agenda. They are either fleeing the party or are backing anyone who they think can stop Trump.

These people may not vote for Biden but they definitely won’t vote for Trump.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's what we all thought in the last two elections, it didn't quite work out that way. Always remember that the last election was run on record turnout. So much turnout, in fact, that Trump not only got more votes than any Republican, he got more votes than any winning candidate before him. The only person in the history of the Republic who got more votes than Trump is Biden. Millions of people who didn't vote for Trump in 2016 saw what he did as President, said "I want more of that!", and changed their mind.

There will be no cavalry of centrist Republicans separating the GOP from itself.

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

You have pointed out valid points, but how do you explain the last midterm elections?

Historical trends indicate that Republicans should have swept the House and Senate elections. Instead the Senate remained in Dem hands and Republicans now hold the house with the slimmest majority in a hundred years.

Republicans didn’t show up in force for the social issue's that the party was pushing. They didn’t have an economic agenda and their foreign agenda was marginally pro Russian.

Trumps agenda is unchanged except he has a ton of vendettas and authoritarian views mixed in.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They're midterms, they are a lot less exciting for the retail voter if the top job is not on the ballot. Democrats did much better with turnout because there were a lot of states with abortion rights on the ballot. But since the midterms are normally boring, in those states Democrats were able to make the abortion thing the key driver for turnout.

This election has a lot more issues, both legitimate issues that the candidates need to debate on, and fake issues ginned up by the misinformation machine on social media. The same recipe that worked during midterms won't work when the tiktok feeds of the older GenZ cohort that Democrats are relying on is complaining about GeNoCiDe jOe....

(You see, the situation in Gaza, and the US support of Israel, are valid topics for discussion, but not if you're trolling overly simplistic talking points with the intent of blowing it all up).

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