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While we can be pretty confident that Reddit has its own motivations (i.e. self-interest) for fighting these lawsuits, this is still a good news story for pirates.

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[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 95 points 10 months ago

Food for though: In the US judges have ruled on multiple occasions that an IP address doesn't actually prove what individual engaged in the act.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 80 points 10 months ago

Might I direct you to the huge flaming catastrophe of bullshit known as "the police don't give a fuck lol". All they need to do is make it difficult, costly and time consuming to win and fuck you once you get hit with charges. And would you look at that, the US legal system specializes in all 3 of those! How convenient.

[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Police can arrest you, but they don't run the courts.

Ie you get brought in on bogus charges and if the only evidence is a number that isn't admissable as evidence you would likely see a mistrial.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Doesn’t matter, these are unpaid volunteers standing up instances. Most, if not all, have no desire to fight that battle on their own dime.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

That’s why it does matter.

Even if they get the IP addrsss from an instance, they can’t use it for anything.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

It doesn’t just stop there.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

It kinda does if a judge has decided that an IP address does not identify who the offender was and thus is not enough evidence to bring a case against someone.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I feel like I don’t need to explain to folks around here that companies will lawyer up and basically use the legal system to harass and intimidate regardless if they have standing or not if they think you are small enough to be bullied into stopping a behavior. Which I assure you your average instance admin is.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The average person getting sued also can't afford an attorney

[-] Trollception@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

They sure as hell will find money for an attorney if they are being sued for 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

They'll need one but that doesn't mean they will be able to afford one. The point of these lawsuits is to intimidate, even if they don't win, if people see lives ruined because of the cost to defend, they'll be scared into not pirating. This is a fear campaign.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The sad reality is no matter how winnable your case is, companies can still bury you for years and consume every free moment of your life and then some. For many people, these court battles become their entire life for several years. It can cost them everything.

[-] Kaldo@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

And yet they still want them, so there must be more to the story. I also don't understand why since I have dynamic IP address in EU, unless they can match the ownership to a person at any given time in the past its not useful info.

[-] ben_dover@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

they can. your telco provider knows exactly which ip was assigned to whom at any given time

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