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[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Ukraine “deserves respect” Zelenskiy said

Clickbaity headline.

[-] takeda@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I read another article by different news and there was also comment that another (unnamed) "representative from Central Europe" said that Ukraine went over the line with this.

Why can't they just straight say that it was a representative from Hungary?

[-] wimpysocks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Clickbaity headline

It’s not though - is it?

Literally the first line of the article expands on it:

  • “Volodymyr Zelenskiy has accused Nato leaders of showing disrespect to Ukraine by refusing to offer it a timetable for when it will be invited to join the military alliance”*
[-] Lexaprofessor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

That's also a pretty vague take. The article phrases it weirdly too. The actual quote is far less adversarial.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Saying "Ukraine deserves respect" is not an accusation, the clickbaity article is just continuing on from the clickbaity headline

Giving a timeline would just give Putin a timeline to work to

[-] wimpysocks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The president of ukraine is saying Ukraine needs a timeline. I think the president of ukraine knows better about the threat to their country. .

The threat to his country is a separate matter to a timeline to join NATO.

Avoiding world war three seems advisable.

[-] wimpysocks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Best way to do that is to push for peace talks.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Once Russia have been pushed back sure, otherwise Ukraine is conceding territory and Putin wins. Which means he'll probably roll into another ex Soviet state for reasons

[-] wimpysocks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If* they are pushed back. The counteroffensive results have been underwhelming to say the least and it’s not looking likely that ukraine will take any territory back. Hence why peace talks should be pursued to stop thousands of russians and Ukrainians dying.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Underwhelming to fans of Hollywood movies perhaps. The Russians have laid millions of mines and entrenched. But, they don't have the troops to man a 600 mile front line and if Ukraine had better air support with F16s or Gripens, they'd be making better progress.

The main battle hasn't even begun yet.

[-] wimpysocks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Underwhelming to nato and america - the ones who fund ukraine

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