Pronouns in non-English Languages (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago by TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org to c/lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org

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I've been helping my 72 year old bilingual (Spanish) mother come to terms with one of her nieces having transitioned.

She's been remarkably progressive about it, but she did bring up some good questions that I didn't have answers for.

(I have my own set of annoyances for pronouns in English. Using a third person plural for single individuals has been leading to confusion, especially amongst my English L2 friends and family. But pronouns are some of the most conservative parts of speech in any language so I'm not going to tilt at that particular windmill. )

As a question for my LGBTQ+ kith, what have you been seeing/using as pronouns in different languages? Romantic languages are generally still heavily gendered, as are some Germanic. Does that interfere with non-binary language patterns? What about Turkish, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese, Arabic, etc?

Have there been any instances of novel pronouns created?

And, not to pry open old wounds, but has anybody noticed new slurs or other intentionally hurtful epithets?

The first question is an effort to answer questions that I hadn't even thought to ask. I'm actually pretty proud of the older generation making an effort to live in the modern world.

The rest is pure personal curiosity and possible conversation material.

Huge thank you to everybody taking time out of their day to answer.

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[-] communication@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is something that's been driving me nuts. I've found lots of material on the concepts of "iel" and la rédaction épicène, but I can't find many long-form examples for understanding how to actually use them. Any thoughts on where I could find articles or essays written without gender?

[-] luciole@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Taking it more seriously and being reasonably knowledgeable about it is on my to-do list. It doesn’t help that there’s some differing views on the subject. I’ve spotted these resources so far:

La vitrine linguistique has a number of articles about it, but they’ve so far rejected neologisms like "iel" and opt to be as neutral as possible within the existing grammar.

The UQÀM has a guide about inclusive writing as well.

[-] communication@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for these! The GoC has something similar, and it actually acknowledges the existence of iel, which surprised me. I hadn't seen the ones you linked, so it'll be good to compare. It's so confusing!