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Trump told European leaders that US ‘will never come to help you’ (www.theguardian.com)

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Donald Trump told the president of the European Commission in 2020 that the US would “never come help” if Europe was attacked and also said “Nato is dead”, a senior European commissioner said.

Multiple news outlets said the exchange between Trump and Ursula von der Leyen at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2020 was described in Brussels on Tuesday by Thierry Breton, a French European commissioner responsible for the internal market, with responsibilities including defence.

“You need to understand that if Europe is under attack we will never come to help you and to support you,” Trump said, according to Breton, who was speaking at the European parliament.

According to Breton, Trump also said: “By the way, Nato is dead, and we will leave, we will quit Nato.”

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[-] crackajack@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I came across a Russian troll disguising as faux-centrist-progressive advocating for American isolationism, stating that Trump is for the better than Biden. American foreign policy has obviously been detrimental except when it's a just war and in support of a country attacked unprovoked, like Ukraine. Said commenter says Ukraine is a corrupt country anyhow and losing so it's a lost cause (the Russo-Ukraine war is in a stalemate objectively speaking). He also argued Joe Biden is worse than Trump for supporting Israel's genocidal war on Gaza so Trump is better foreign policy wise, even though Trump is way friendlier to Israel by setting up the US embassy in Eastern Jerusalem.

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

The MIC says otherwise Mr Trump. Being a part of NATO seems to be quite profitable

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Well silver linings, I guess, but I'm a lot more optimistic now about the Military safety of Europe than I was 2 years ago. 2 years ago I feared Putin was thinking about maybe even taking the entirety of Europe with Trump out of the way and now we know he barely managed to steal a few kilometers of land in the Ukraine and he's relatively easily kept at bay.

A large factor in this is Russia being a defacto dictatorship requiring lots of obscurity so that he can rob the people blind, but that obscurity means that the army too has been robbed blind. It means their economy never grew to the full potential it had and right now is about the size of Italy.

Russia won't be a threat for many decades to come and even then will be little more thab a nuisance.

China is a problem but now it's becoming clean that it too had similar issues like Russia for similar reasons. You take a small group of privileged people that take all they want in a dictatorship and corruption goess wild. I honestly don't think the Chinese military will be able to do much against European armies either, especially with the distance.

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