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Trump told European leaders that US ‘will never come to help you’ (www.theguardian.com)

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Donald Trump told the president of the European Commission in 2020 that the US would “never come help” if Europe was attacked and also said “Nato is dead”, a senior European commissioner said.

Multiple news outlets said the exchange between Trump and Ursula von der Leyen at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2020 was described in Brussels on Tuesday by Thierry Breton, a French European commissioner responsible for the internal market, with responsibilities including defence.

“You need to understand that if Europe is under attack we will never come to help you and to support you,” Trump said, according to Breton, who was speaking at the European parliament.

According to Breton, Trump also said: “By the way, Nato is dead, and we will leave, we will quit Nato.”

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 142 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is why NATO has begun ramping up defense purchases recently.

Trump has been polling higher recently, and that scares the fuck out of Europe, because they know Trump will at best allow Putin to steamroll the region and, at worst, actively use US resources to help dictatorships expand their sphere of influence, culminating in WWIII.

They’re not willing to wait until that happens.

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[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 93 points 6 months ago

The strangest thing about this, to me, is that it's obvious that another Trump presidency would be disaster for a lot of governments in Europe, but what are they actually doing about it?

All I see are the massively successful disinformation campaigns coming out of Russia.

[-] HWK_290@lemmy.world 63 points 6 months ago

Probably occupied staving off the same disinformation and right wing lunatics set to sweep their elections this year...

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[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

Swede here, in the revolving door of maybe NATO membership. I'd prefer the EU to have our own military union that is affiliated with NATO but isn't devoted to American interests. Unfortunately it seems too late for such considerations with our right wing government signing treaties as fast as they can. Thanks, Putin.

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago

Why is every country electing a right wing government? They are literally good for fucking nothing, what good have they done ever for anyone?

[-] Fixbeat@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

They are good for one thing, hating other people.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago

I disagree, I'm not right-wing and I'm much better at hating people. Just for better reasons.

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 5 points 6 months ago

Hating other people, not hating people. That one word is important.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

In tough times people turn to strongmen.

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[-] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

Because they promise easy solutions to impossible problems, promise to push the pain and hardship onto someone else, promise to make life easier and simpler and to chase away all the things that make it difficult.

The fact they do the opposite doesn't matter

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Bc the only outride the status quo options the wealth-controlled media will promote as viable is the far right.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

what are they actually doing about it?

Europe can't do anything about it, that's interfering with another country's politics.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Yea the US has never done that, especially not to its “allies” so of course none of those “allies” are allowed to do it to the US.

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[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Many European countries have massively increased military spending and are reviving disbanded military units. What more do you expect them to do?

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

European countries have actually been spending a lot more on military lately. Whether that has something to do with the threat of another Trump presidency or the threat from Russia, I don't know. Maybe both.

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[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 55 points 6 months ago

If Trump was attacked, I'd definitely help!

[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 54 points 6 months ago

He is def not working for China and Russia

[-] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Regarding the nearly $8 million he received from foreign nations while in office he said he was "doing services for them" and "I don't get $8 million for doing nothing."

He freely admitted as much.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago

What a pathetic loser, selling out the country for $8 million. America’s rich sneeze $8 million, Trump is a poor broke boy.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 51 points 6 months ago

By the way it is now US law that pulling out of NATO requires Senate approval. Weird how they had to pass that.

https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-releases/kaine-and-rubio-applaud-senate-passage-of-their-bipartisan-bill-to-prevent-any-us-president-from-leaving-nato#:~:text=If%20any%20U.S.%20President%20attempts,being%20used%20to%20do%20so.

[-] NIB@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

A treaty is not valid because a paper was signed. Trump does not need to leave NATO in order to make NATO invalid. A statement like the one in the article is enough. Ultimately, NATO is about trusting that the other members will come help you. Once that trust is gone, NATO is just a piece of paper(well technically more but still).

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 46 points 6 months ago

and also said “Nato is dead”

Dude 100% doesn't know what nato is.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

NATO is dead

- Nietzshit

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

It's amazing how many Americans think NATO will fall apart to pieces without the US.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago

Nothing trump says ever means anything, except the most base, grossest gruntings about sex. Everything else - please ignore.

[-] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Unless he really does mean it and tries to play it off as a joke when the crowd turns on him

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Nitpick; Trump never plays his statements off as a joke. His sycophants do, but never the man himself.

Remember everyone being shocked by, ‘I don’t kid’: Trump says he wasn’t joking about slowing coronavirus testing?

He says what he means, and he's quite literal. Major reason his detractors get confused. Yes, he said that. Yes, he meant it literally.

Sane people: "Politicians can't talk that way!"

Trump supporters: "He speaks truth!"

I kinda get the nut cases on this one. I've always wanted a politician that "tells it like it is", with cojones. I just don't like Trumps "truth".

[-] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Speaking of crowds turning on Trump, I gotta say, it was kind of amusing to witness how desperately he wanted credit for the COVID vaccines but had to stop talking about it because his plague rat base boo’d him for promoting vaccination at one of his own klan rallies.

The only thing stopping it from being downright hilarious was that, well, ya know… It was a deadly serious public health crisis being exasperated by god damn morons.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

1 million dead Americans under his watch. Including my mother. I will never forgive, never forget. And now plenty more are dying for lack of being vaccinated, and killing the rest of us for lack of a fucking mask.

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[-] rivermonster@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Even having Trump on the ballot is risking civil war or at least collapsing of the union. I imagine a fight over him lying that he won again will be enough of a spark in the powder room.

And remember, the problem has NEVER been Trump. He's just a stupid, fat, orange moron. The US is fucked bc Trump supporters exist and are tolerated.

The GOP gives aid and comfort to the enemies of the constitution and the country. They're not a legitimate party, or even citizens.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Can we just call him “puppet-o-puttin” already?

[-] ForestOrca@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago

I will mark in celebration the last day I ever hear of this despicable human. "Shut up, man."

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 6 points 6 months ago

Careful, Donny-boy. Daddy Putin isn't going to be happy if you give up the game with only a few months to go

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